driving around with full set of bonnet tools is it ok

Six pages of discussion and the original topic appears to be well and truly lost, leaving information on the internet littered with refuse.

My understanding (no not opinion Mick) is that the only legislation relating to this (sort of), that is retrospective, is the legislation relating to forward facing projections on bull bars - fishing rod holders and the like.

Is there any other?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

ambulances are very dangerous.
i got run over by one.

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Possibly well deserved :wasntme:

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Originally Posted by Eevo

ambulances are very dangerous.
i got run over by one.

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I ran into a bus in Bangkok - is that similar?

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Possibly well deserved :wasntme:

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im not sure what hurts more.

lying on the road after being hit by an ambulance or your words.

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Originally Posted by rathgar

Six pages of discussion and the original topic appears to be well and truly lost, leaving information on the internet littered with refuse.

My understanding (no not opinion Mick) is that the only legislation relating to this (sort of), that is retrospective, is the legislation relating to forward facing projections on bull bars - fishing rod holders and the like.

Is there any other?

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Well there is the NSW VSI on protrusions and bullbars, Protrusions on vehicles - Vehicle standards - Safety & rules - Roads - Roads and Maritime Services which talks about fishing rod holders and aerial brackets, and importantly suggests

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Originally Posted by VSI-05

Note that any aerials or winches which cannot meet this requirement should be removed after the operational need is completed. Emergency and rescue (State Rescue Board-accredited rescue vehicles, mines rescue) vehicles may have a constant operational need for this equipment and will not be rejected.

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(red high highlight mine) but no instructions about brackets or tools behind the bull bar.

So you have to remove your non conforming winch but you can keep the horticulture accessories. ;)

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

..., and importantly suggests (red high highlight mine) but no instructions about brackets or tools behind the bull bar.

So you have to remove your non conforming winch but you can keep the horticulture accessories. ;)

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Exactly my point so lets move on.

Why do these threads just move into nonsense because people want to confuse the issues.

The simple fact is that these have been the ADRS since 1988, they are not retrospective.

42.9. EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL PROTRUSIONS

42.9.1. No vehicle must be equipped with:

42.9.1.1. any object or fitting, not technically essential to such vehicle, which protrudes from any part of the vehicle so that it is likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person;

42.9.1.2. any object or fitting technically essential to such vehicle unless its design, construction and conditions and the manner in which it is affixed to the vehicle are such as to reduce to a minimum the risk of bodily injury to any person;

42.9.1.3. any object or fitting which, because it is pointed or has a sharp edge, is likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person; or

42.9.1.4. any bumper bar the end of which is not turned towards the body of the vehicle to a sufficient extent to avoid any risk of hooking or grazing.

Then we come to why have them if they were even legal. The axe is only good for a piece of timber on the ground. Pretty useless for clearing tracks, only good for camp fires. If you think you will need to clear tracks, take a chainsaw, or at least a bow saw.

Again, the short handle shovel is not much good for recovering a vehicle. You really need a long handled shovel. The short handle one is only really their for when you need to go to the toilet.

So for 4wding, the tools are pretty useless anyway and you don't need them.

Now lets get to the argument about it being a nanny state in having these laws. I will accept this argument from anyone that is prepared to move the tools and their mounts from the bonnet to inside on the dash. See if their view changes when it is only them that is likely to ever hit them.

Now back to the debate about whether ambulances are dangerous vehicles

Just to stir things up I have gun holders on the dashboard of the 101 landy and since the vehicle has all the gardening tools across the front of it, except for a axe holder, I use the gun racks to hold the axe on the dash board.(all standard fittings)
Chain saws are not allowed in most national parks.
Ps the fire extinguisher goes on a bracket in the very front of the vehicle just below the windscreen.
For rego on this vehicle a bull bar was fitted for no other reason than the front pintle hook protruded forward of the body work and the other option was to remove it.
101s have no real front bumper bar as used by the Aussie army.

I cant be bothered searching through the legislation to investigate dates when I don't have bonnet mounted tools anyway. But given they were fitted in the factory I guess they were considered "essential" by the manufacture when they declared that the vehicles met the legislation relevant at the date of manufacture.

I use my gardening tools every time I go 4wding, ironically because they are easy to access and to put to use.

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