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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton477 View Post

    ........................... Just to be clear, this is not going to be a permanent installation. The regular caravan power cable will need to be plugged into the inverter & then the caravan just as with shore power ........................


    Rory.
    Another VERY good reason to use an inverter/charger such as the Victron that will extend the supply MEN system through to the caravan distribution and re create it (when configured correctly) when the inverter supplys the load

    Deano

    ps. I understand how this all may sound a bit 'anal' to the uninitiated but it is really very important for a SAFE 240v electrical distribution system.

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    The standard RCD or earth leakage will not protect you. To be protected in this situation one would need an RVD I believe it is called. I will explore this option, Drivesafe, are you still involved with these new devices?

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    Hi Rory and yes, but here is a link that will better cover how RVDs work.

    Residual Voltage Technology | Generators, Inverters, RVD-SAFE(R) Power Leads, RCD, RVD, Electrical Earth, Earthing, Electrical Safety, Wet Environments

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanoH View Post
    Another VERY good reason to use an inverter/charger such as the Victron that will extend the supply MEN system through to the caravan distribution and re create it (when configured correctly) when the inverter supplys the load

    Deano

    ps. I understand how this all may sound a bit 'anal' to the uninitiated but it is really very important for a SAFE 240v electrical distribution system.

    pps. Old Farang ............. I did my 'training' back in the 1970's and it was called Mains Earth Neutral System back then , either that or ........................................
    Well, I started a 5 year apprenticeship in 1960, but I was contracting in the late 1970s (in WA), and we called it Multiple Earthed Neutral in those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton477 View Post
    Thanks for all of the replies, just the sort of information that is really useful.

    Just to be clear, this is not going to be a permanent installation. The regular caravan power cable will need to be plugged into the inverter & then the caravan just as with shore power.

    Also, I am well aware that sticking your fingers in the plug when on inverter or generator power will result in an electric shock & possible death. The standard RCD or earth leakage will not protect you. To be protected in this situation one would need an RVD I believe it is called. I will explore this option, Drivesafe, are you still involved with these new devices?

    Thanks again.
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    That's the same as installing it permanently - if there's no reference to earth for the neutral conductor you are not protected in certain situations. Ensure the inverter you are looking at is suitable for this - most aren't.
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    So to be safe I need a RVD-Safe costing $190. Still cheaper than a Victron inverter charger but just as safe & this will also offer protection when on generator power. Bonus!

    I appreciate the safety concerns shown in this thread.
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    Homestar

    Your input on this matter has certainly highlighted the safety aspect re inverters being fitted into caravans and the like.

    I meant no disrespect with my posts but made claims from where I was in the scheme of things.

    I would still go with the Giandel inverter but ensure it was fitted professionally rather than my simple way.

    I think you have supplied members a good deal of valuable information in your posts, thank you.

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    Hi Mike and a word of caution. To get any electrical ( 240vac ) work done on a caravan can be very dangerous unless you find an electrician who knows the regs regarding Transportable wiring.

    If you have any problems finding a suitable electrician, contact me and I will see if I can put you in touch with someone in your area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton477 View Post
    So to be safe I need a RVD-Safe costing $190. Still cheaper than a Victron inverter charger but just as safe & this will also offer protection when on generator power. Bonus!

    I appreciate the safety concerns shown in this thread.
    Yes, that's a good idea.
    If you need to contact me please email homestarrunnerau@gmail.com - thanks - Gav.

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    so,, how does this work when the generator is plugged into the HOME,,,
    does the earth leakage still take care of "lightbulbs in bathtubs"?
    or do we now need a RVD?
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    The way I understand it is when on portable generator at home/caravan, keep the lights out of the bathtub unless you have a RVD in parallel with your earth leakage. With a portable generator there is no reference to earth hence why an earth leakage will not protect you. An RVD has a different method of protecting people from electrocution & is a fairly new protection device.
    I'm not an expert though & not qualified to give advice here.
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