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    Network Gurus: Will this work?

    Hiya,

    We have a long thin house. Down one end (my study) is the Belkin 4 port wireless router/ADSL+2 modem. Currently the printer, 2 PCs and the PVR are connected to it. Wireless reception at the other end of the house is dodgy and I have to fight with my boys re wireless access as their Nintendo products only do WEP and my Vista laptop only does WPA2.

    So I want to add a wireless 4 port router (their Xmas present + a 2nd PC up their end to stop the fights!)at their end of the house and set it to WEP. Allow all PCs and Nintendo's access to the net and the printer.

    Thought, suggestions and witty commentary welcome


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    Not possible to put the router in the middle of the house? even in a roof is fine in my experience although I was told never to do it I did and was the best way of doing it.

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    you will need to keep all the dhcp ip addfress space within one c class if you want windows file and printer sharing to work without dramas.

    set first router dhcp address space to .2 thru .127 and the second to .129 thru .254

    give the second router an ip address of .128 and enter it as a reserved address in the first router using the mac address etc etc.

    netmask should be 255.255.255.0


    so

    first rounter ip address is say 192.168.1.1 netmask of 255.255.255.0

    dhcp range set to 192.168.1.2 thru 192.168.1.127


    second router ip address is 192.168.1.128 netmask 255.255.255.0

    put second router mac address in reserved list of dhcp list of first router

    dhcp range of second router set to 192.168.1.129 thru 192.168.1.254


    clear as mud ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by incisor View Post
    clear as mud ?

    I think I follow you Time will tell. Can I call you xmas morning if I can't get it working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavie View Post
    Not possible to put the router in the middle of the house? even in a roof is fine in my experience although I was told never to do it I did and was the best way of doing it.
    Unfortunately not. I can move the existing router but it doesn't have enough ports and I'd still have the WEP/WPA issue.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteD3 View Post
    I think I follow you Time will tell. Can I call you xmas morning if I can't get it working?
    feel free 1300wontbeathome


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    Quote Originally Posted by incisor View Post
    you will need to keep all the dhcp ip address space within one c class if you want windows file and printer sharing to work without dramas.

    set first router dhcp address space to .2 thru .127 and the second to .129 thru .254

    give the second router an ip address of .128 and enter it as a reserved address in the first router using the mac address etc etc.

    netmask should be 255.255.255.0


    so

    first rounter ip address is say 192.168.1.1 netmask of 255.255.255.0

    dhcp range set to 192.168.1.2 thru 192.168.1.127


    second router ip address is 192.168.1.128 netmask 255.255.255.0

    put second router mac address in reserved list of dhcp list of first router

    dhcp range of second router set to 192.168.1.129 thru 192.168.1.254


    clear as mud ?
    Don't see why each router needs to do DHCP if they are connected by Ethernet and using the same class C? The second "router" is only being used as a switch and WAP, and isn't actually routing as it has no WAN connection...so while it needs an IP address either outside the DHCP range of the first router or it's address reserving in the DHCP range of the first router as you say, I don't think anything else needs to be done. I run much the same setup here and simply turn off the WAN port and DHCP server on the second router.

    One other thing though - make sure the wireless channels are at least three apart between the routers. You may not get a good enough signal to connect from one end of the house to the other, but you'll probably have enough signal to interfere if they're on overlapping channels!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jik22 View Post
    Don't see why each router needs to do DHCP if they are connected by Ethernet and using the same class C? The second "router" is only being used as a switch and WAP, and isn't actually routing as it has no WAN connection...so while it needs an IP address either outside the DHCP range of the first router or it's address reserving in the DHCP range of the first router as you say, I don't think anything else needs to be done. I run much the same setup here and simply turn off the WAN port and DHCP server on the second router.

    One other thing though - make sure the wireless channels are at least three apart between the routers. You may not get a good enough signal to connect from one end of the house to the other, but you'll probably have enough signal to interfere if they're on overlapping channels!
    Agreed.
    We run the same config at work when we need temporary network to an area that doesn't already have coverage.

    I usually plug the WAN interface port with an old connector to stop people plugging into it and then calling me saying "I've plugged my network cable into the switch but it doesn't work".

    SteveG

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    watching with interest

    maybe solve my prob


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    Quote Originally Posted by jik22 View Post
    Don't see why each router needs to do DHCP if they are connected by Ethernet and using the same class C?
    he has two wireless zones that way so if he does venture to that end of the house its there if needed by a game console or laptop etc etc...

    he has the hardware, why not use it
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