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    A Frame Ball Joint - Taper Seat

    Hi I have searched without luck!
    The Boys Disco 1 Tdi 200 1993 rear axle A Frame ball joint is rattling around in the axle housing bracket. The ball joint was changed for the extended version from LRA 2 yrs ago, the original was worn out and the D1 has a 2" lift. With the nuts tightened its not too bad but soon starts moving as it is relying on the nut tightness not the taper engagement.
    Has anyone repaired the axle brkt with a weld-in steel taper? Another thought (two in one day!) is weld a 20mm plate to the top of the bracket with a taper machined in it?
    Help! Pls
    Ollie

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    I had that issue on my old 90, I lined the worn taper with a gas axe torch & brazing rod. roughly filed any high spots off with a chainsaw sharpening file.
    Tighten ball joint down really tight, Never had any more problems.

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    I would have thought that you could get away without welding in a steel taper. Get hold of some very thin steel shim stock (you'll probably have to experiment with thickness) - cut to a rectangle that when rolled into a cylinder fits the larger end of the taper, push it into the hole and insert ball joint taper and tighten gently - this will mark the overlap where your shim is too big for the small end of the taper - remove and trim shim - reinsert, tighten up job done.

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    Why not just fit a washer with a hole bigger than the taper end to cinch up the nut onto.
    Regards Philip A

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    Talking

    Thanks for your suggestions The washer under the nut definitely needs replacing with a thicker one.
    There is it Not much room between the underside of the bracket and the diff so it cannot be pulled through too far.
    I asked a local toolmaker and he can turn a taper easily in a round bar that can be welded to the top of the existing bracket. I will send photos of the fix.
    When the boy got the Disco we noticed that one of the A frame pivot brackets had been rewelded and maybe not back in the right place as the rear axle is 15mm of to one side. It's Parallel with the front axle and the tyres are good so when we run out of Boys Own stuff to play with, but then again maybe not.
    Along the way we fitted front and rear diff locks 33" tyres offset wheels 2" lift and 4:1 ? crown wheel & pinions and it's goes places where a more cautious old person is not comfortable with a 19 yr old is driving. Great 4WD
    I have read a lot of good stuff in this forum but the best advice I read was 'GET OUT THERE AND ENJOY IT'
    Thanks again
    Ollie

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    from memory the top taper unbolts and you just throw it away and fit a new one.
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    I spoke with MR Auto it seems our D1 is special! we knew that already, the axle housing bracket is welded to the axle housing, there is no bolt on component between the axle bracket and the ball joint spigot. We are going to pull the axle housing assembly out at the weekend and sort it out. There is a air leak on the ARB locker that we need to also sort out. If we block the air pipe the compressor builds pressure and stops, there is no bubbling of oil with the diff filler plug out so maybe the seals are good, if you then put your hand over the diff filler plug and release ther is a pressure build up in the diff, so it is probably the copper pipe inside the diff.
    I will post the 'Playing with the Landie at the weekend' results.
    Thanks Ollie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie View Post
    I spoke with MR Auto it seems our D1 is special! we knew that already, the axle housing bracket is welded to the axle housing, there is no bolt on component between the axle bracket and the ball joint spigot. We are going to pull the axle housing assembly out at the weekend and sort it out. There is a air leak on the ARB locker that we need to also sort out. If we block the air pipe the compressor builds pressure and stops, there is no bubbling of oil with the diff filler plug out so maybe the seals are good, if you then put your hand over the diff filler plug and release ther is a pressure build up in the diff, so it is probably the copper pipe inside the diff.
    I will post the 'Playing with the Landie at the weekend' results.
    Thanks Ollie
    If you are getting a pressure build up then your breather must be blocked.

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    Good point I'll check if the tubes are clear, we extended the Axles T/Case & Gearbox breathers with a TJM kit with foam filters, moving them higherThe boy collected the new adaptor & copper pipe from ARB for the locker today. We just found out he has a Footy training weekend so the axle removal will have to wait until next week, not much point having a great hungry lump of a thing if it's not there to undo the tight stuff!

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    Last weekend we pulled out the rear axle leaving the ball joint and block on the axle. It took soon messing to get the castlated nut off the mild steel washer supplied with the extended ball joint (for raised vehicles) was flatened out & jammed up the bottom of the axle brkt taper. The ball joint & axle brkt tapers were OK, but the BJ taper was only engaged at the bottom. Dressed the BJ taper with a file & emery cloth checking with eng's blue paste until full engagement was reached. Reassembled with hardened washer tightened taper nut fully making sure the upper locknut had clearence. Tightened upper locknut lightly; this really works against the taper! fitted the set screw.Removed the diff to check the ARB locker leak; with an air leak above the oil level, the diff breather clear the compressor flow is sufficient to pressurise the diff. Replaced the locker tube assy and seals, refitted diff check hurray no leaks. Replaced the radius arm and linkages to correct the axle position 2" lift along with the A Frame upper link bushes. Put the axle back in and all was happy in our part of Landy World. No diff locker leaks the steering judder has gone The on road driving was back to normal and the young fella drove to work on Monday!
    Cheers Ollie

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