Thread: Car wont start on gas all of sudden!!!!

Originally Posted by lars04

.... What the bloody hell is going on!!!!

Hearing 'ya!

Is the system an electronic injected system, or the old style mixer feed type?

First thing to do is all the simple diagnostics:
Do you hear the loud-ish click of the solenoid when you turn the ignition on? (ie. not start up, just ign on).

If it does click on, can you confirm that gas is coming through.

Originally Posted by AK83

Hearing 'ya!

Is the system an electronic injected system, or the old style mixer feed type?

First thing to do is all the simple diagnostics:
Do you hear the loud-ish click of the solenoid when you turn the ignition on? (ie. not start up, just ign on).

If it does click on, can you confirm that gas is coming through.

Nope there's no click I know the one your taking about god know why it would just not work all of a sudden.

Originally Posted by lars04

Nope there's no click I know the one your taking about ......

Check fuse(s).
wiring.
could be the elctromagnet of the solenoid stuck.

I've had all three of those conditions over the years(and more that I can't remember now).

Fuse was an easy one to find.

Wiring was just a loose connection on the spade connector.
grabbed it with fingers, and CLICK! (accidentally easy to diagnose, and a new spade connector later had it fixed permanently.

Stuck magnet. If I don't hear the click on the solenoid as my first point of call, irrespective of what the issue turns out to be, my first diagnosis is to tap the solenoid with something solid but light(eg. spanner, screw driver, etc) with ignition on. Hopefully it may unstick it and you can at least get started.
Easiest fix, but my first priority if this is the cause, is to seek a new solenoid.

There could be other things that could be wrong, but these are the easy ones to check.

I've had quite a few gas powered vehicles over the years, and have been lucky enough to sort most issues myself, they're usually pretty simple, if you just follow basic steps.
But the hardest to diagnose was my last gas injected auto everything car.
It was set to only start on petrol, run for a time until a specific engine temp was reached, and then switch to gas(ie. no manual override).
Very annoying to diagnose any issue(until a cable and software were bought).

Is yours one of those injected fully automated systems, or the old style mixer/manual switch type.
I suppose we can assume it's a manual switch type, that can actually be started on gas as you are trying to start it on gas.

Originally Posted by AK83

Check fuse(s).
wiring.
could be the elctromagnet of the solenoid stuck.

I've had all three of those conditions over the years(and more that I can't remember now).

Fuse was an easy one to find.

Wiring was just a loose connection on the spade connector.
grabbed it with fingers, and CLICK! (accidentally easy to diagnose, and a new spade connector later had it fixed permanently.

Stuck magnet. If I don't hear the click on the solenoid as my first point of call, irrespective of what the issue turns out to be, my first diagnosis is to tap the solenoid with something solid but light(eg. spanner, screw driver, etc) with ignition on. Hopefully it may unstick it and you can at least get started.
Easiest fix, but my first priority if this is the cause, is to seek a new solenoid.

There could be other things that could be wrong, but these are the easy ones to check.

I've had quite a few gas powered vehicles over the years, and have been lucky enough to sort most issues myself, they're usually pretty simple, if you just follow basic steps.
But the hardest to diagnose was my last gas injected auto everything car.
It was set to only start on petrol, run for a time until a specific engine temp was reached, and then switch to gas(ie. no manual override).
Very annoying to diagnose any issue(until a cable and software were bought).

Is yours one of those injected fully automated systems, or the old style mixer/manual switch type.
I suppose we can assume it's a manual switch type, that can actually be started on gas as you are trying to start it on gas.

There wouldn't be to many injected D1s, so would presume its Vapour

Best moved to the LPG section, might get more replies

Originally Posted by AK83

Check fuse(s).
wiring.
could be the elctromagnet of the solenoid stuck.

I've had all three of those conditions over the years(and more that I can't remember now).

Fuse was an easy one to find.

Wiring was just a loose connection on the spade connector.
grabbed it with fingers, and CLICK! (accidentally easy to diagnose, and a new spade connector later had it fixed permanently.

Stuck magnet. If I don't hear the click on the solenoid as my first point of call, irrespective of what the issue turns out to be, my first diagnosis is to tap the solenoid with something solid but light(eg. spanner, screw driver, etc) with ignition on. Hopefully it may unstick it and you can at least get started.
Easiest fix, but my first priority if this is the cause, is to seek a new solenoid.

There could be other things that could be wrong, but these are the easy ones to check.

I've had quite a few gas powered vehicles over the years, and have been lucky enough to sort most issues myself, they're usually pretty simple, if you just follow basic steps.
But the hardest to diagnose was my last gas injected auto everything car.
It was set to only start on petrol, run for a time until a specific engine temp was reached, and then switch to gas(ie. no manual override).
Very annoying to diagnose any issue(until a cable and software were bought).

Is yours one of those injected fully automated systems, or the old style mixer/manual switch type.
I suppose we can assume it's a manual switch type, that can actually be started on gas as you are trying to start it on gas.

Could be a stupid question but where would the fuses be located for the log also is the solenoid sitting on top of the mixer with a neg and pos wire in it?
Chucked the post on the lpg section too.

Originally Posted by lars04

Could be a stupid question but where would the fuses be located for the log also is the solenoid sitting on top of the mixer with a neg and pos wire in it?
Chucked the post on the lpg section too.

Groan. While virtually every 1993 model D1 will have its factory fitted fuses put in the exactly same place, because they went down a production line, the same does not apply to LPG conversions. 1000 different LPG fitters will fit a LPG conversion in 1000 different ways. Find the fuses yourself by looking closely at the LPG wiring. It is also possible that the LPG fitter took power off the fuel pump and you blew that fuse in the cars own system. You will find up to 3 solenoids in the LPG system, one on the tank, one on the pipe and one on the converter. The mixer doesn't usually have a solenoid, being the device that mixes gas and air together in the air intake. Look at where you worked around the petrol tank and see if you snagged any LPG wiring. Use a torch and methodically trace LPG pipes, wires and hoses to see where the LPG fitter has cut into the vehicle systems.