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    Defender Brake Upgrade for D1

    Just wanted quick clarification on the defender brake upgrade for the D1. I know one of the requirements is that the brake line needs modification at the front caliper so it does not foul with the springs as the pipe inlet on the deefer calipers is in a different spot to the d1 calipers.

    My question is: does this modification apply to the hard pipe that actually attaches to the caliper (see attached picture, red circle) or does it apply to the flexible brake hose before the solid pipe?


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    If it is the solid pipe then what is actually the scope of works? New solid pipe with different shape? Or just cutting it shorter and re-flaring it?

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    Not heard of any modes required, AFAIK it was a bolt in swap.
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    I think you may just need the defender hard line bits. I can't honestly remember. Will pop my head under mine today and have a looksy

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    Hi....

    Just make a new copperline then you have no problem...

    Did the conversion a few years back and it`s no problem if you use the right part`s and make a new small copper line from new caliper to existing brakehose

    Also did a post here on forum about my conversion.



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    I would check on the legalities of using copper for brake lines. Much better to use proper steel brake line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron IIA View Post
    I would check on the legalities of using copper for brake lines. Much better to use proper steel brake line.

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    Copper is a no no in Australia

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    Steel will rust with age, and you will over time get tiny black spot`s on the outer surface of your steel brake pipes, THAT`S DANGEROUS !!!.....Copper dont rust and is just as strong as your steel brakeline because it has a thicker wall, and if you buy specifik copper brake pipe (5 mm i think it is), you will be safe......

    The reason that car manufacturers use Steel to the brake line is that it is cheaper to use and it will fail with age so they can sell you a new one....., Copper brake pipe will outlive your vehicle with 100 year`s or more, when your car is rusted away, the copper pipes will still be there, a little green but in full funktioning order......

    We have here in scandinavia with our cold and wet clima used copper brake pipes for 70 years without any problems at all, and when it is winter here, they use salt to melt the snow on the roads so steel brake pipes will just be good for 10 - 12 years then they must be replaced with copper brake pipes......and then, problem with rusty and dangerous brake lines will be over....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Centa View Post
    Steel will rust with age, and you will over time get tiny black spot`s on the outer surface of your steel brake pipes, THAT`S DANGEROUS !!!.....Copper dont rust and is just as strong as your steel brakeline because it has a thicker wall, and if you buy specifik copper brake pipe (5 mm i think it is), you will be safe......

    The reason that car manufacturers use Steel to the brake line is that it is cheaper to use and it will fail with age so they can sell you a new one....., Copper brake pipe will outlive your vehicle with 100 year`s or more, when your car is rusted away, the copper pipes will still be there, a little green but in full funktioning order......

    We have here in scandinavia with our cold and wet clima used copper brake pipes for 70 years without any problems at all, and when it is winter here, they use salt to melt the snow on the roads so steel brake pipes will just be good for 10 - 12 years then they must be replaced with copper brake pipes......and then, problem with rusty and dangerous brake lines will be over....


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    While I imagine there plenty here that will agree with you (me included) the other comments were made as using copper brake lines here in Australia is illegal. I think it's due to the fact copper will work harden, although I've never see a copper brake line fail (my old 2a had copper lines and they were ancient and working fine) and I have had steel lines fail (my 1976 Subaru wagon) but I'd imagine the rust issue is much worse where you are and thankfully we don't need to salt our roads in Winter.
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    Using pure copper tube would be illegal in auz. 'Copper' brake lines that are actually made from a copper nickle alloy “Kunifer”, are legal.

    Perhaps this is what Centa is referring to

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    putting my silver coins aside now to do this upgrade in the near future. once i'm ready and have the bits i will continue this thread with pics and all.

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