Thread: Possible to weld (or otherwise put) hi lift points around a D1 without bar work?

Originally Posted by AK83

Yeah, but what about if you break something under the car whilst in the middle of that muck and that why it's stuck there .. or even a simple flat/blown tyre that needs to be changed.

Why would you want to fix anything in a bog hole, You winch or get towed out first Then fix whatever is wrong, Working under ANY jack in a bog hole is dangerous/stupid and the winching or getting towed out wont do any more damage anyway.

Originally Posted by trout1105

Why would you want to fix anything in a bog hole, You winch or get towed out first Then fix whatever is wrong, Working under ANY jack in a bog hole is dangerous/stupid and the winching or getting towed out wont do any more damage anyway.

So if you had flat tyre in a bog hole, you'd winch your vehicle out before fixing the tyre and in the process, more than likely destroy the carcass of the tyre in the process?
It'd be an awesome world where getting stuck in awkward situations due to a broken part was always as easy as just dragging it out .. but the reality is that this isn't the case.

The actual reality is that hi lift jacks have been used successfully in many situations where it was the appropriate thing to do.
There's always going to be some numpty that simply has no clue as to how to safely use some device ... hi lift jacks are no more or less dangerous than winches, or snatch straps, or any other product when used by said numpty!

My dad's '67 and '73 Cadillacs both had their own hi-lift type jacks as the standard lift device that came with the car. it hooked up to the bumpers and lifts the car body rather than the axle.
Rover P6's came with a similar style of jack that lifted the vehicle, on a post, where you wound the post up via a rotary handle, after inserting the jacks lifting post into a receiver on the side of the vehicle.
Both those vehicles come from an era where cost seemed to play a secondary role to usability tho ... now they give you pseudo jacks that save the company a few dollars per unit item.

A bottle jack is not any safer than a hi lift jack in almost any given situation.

Originally Posted by AK83

A bottle jack is not any safer than a hi lift jack in almost any given situation.

I have to Strongly dissagree with that statement.
High lift jacks are inherantly unstable and the old "Bumper Jacks" that used to come with the early model Valiants and Falcons were No better.
A 10t bottle jack is a much better proposition.

Originally Posted by trout1105

I have to Strongly dissagree with that statement.
High lift jacks are inherantly unstable and the old "Bumper Jacks" that used to come with the early model Valiants and Falcons were No better.
A 10t bottle jack is a much better proposition.

Your point of view is fair enough .... and no one is going to deny you to it.
But if highlift jacks were somehow more dangerous than bottle jacks, governments would have legislated against them by now(considering the nanny state we've become!)

my old work, being a 4wd tour company actually banned drivers from using hi lifts. the vehicles were fairly big so they took massive bottle jacks with them and stands which were modified by one of the mechanics. they generally had fairly big ground clearance so getting under them wasnt an issue. more to change tires etc.

to be honest unless you drive through deep mud im not sure how you can get that bogged that you need a jack. the few times ive lost traction ive stopped in time to just get my treds out and drove out of the bog. ive used my winch to get my mate's d3 out of mud and some other vehicles on occasions and he used his winch once to get me out of mud. same day. i would only use a jack to change tires or fix something once i was on good ground and never with the jack alone. should always have decent support to hold your vehicle up if you are working near it and not the jack alone.

personally hi lifts scare the crap out of me

Originally Posted by AK83

Your point of view is fair enough .... and no one is going to deny you to it.
But if highlift jacks were somehow more dangerous than bottle jacks, governments would have legislated against them by now(considering the nanny state we've become!)

The Government doesn't have to legislate as car manufacturers No longer supply them with their cars and very few people still actually use them anymore because there are Now far better alternatives (eg winches + exhaust jacks) which are easily available and affordable.
If you want to use one of these high lift jacks then that is your prerogative But to promote their use on a site like this that is visited by so many "Newbies" is irresponsible

Perhaps any newbie should be linked straight to this thread for a few opinions on how dangerous these things can be...Scare enough people out of getting one in the first place.

After hearing how few people actually ever use them I'd love to know how many people actually use hi lifts, considering when you see one on a car that same car usually also has Maxtrax and a winch stuck to it too.

Originally Posted by Young Angus

Perhaps any newbie should be linked straight to this thread for a few opinions on how dangerous these things can be...Scare enough people out of getting one in the first place.

After hearing how few people actually ever use them I'd love to know how many people actually use hi lifts, considering when you see one on a car that same car usually also has Maxtrax and a winch stuck to it too.

They are cheap, easily available and apparently they look "Cool", Much like cigarettes used to be