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    Water Pump & Belt bracket Position 300TDI?

    Hello All,

    This is my first posting in the Discovery Series 1 section. Can anyone identify which of the bolt holes in the water pump - numbered in the photograph - that the belt bracket is fixed to?

    I went to change the water pump on my May 1996 D1 and I neglected to take a reference photograph of what things looked like before I set about removing the water pump.

    After a bit of a distraction I could not visualise where the bracket went.

    Can you please check your D1 300TDI and identify which numbered bolt hole the bracket is fixed to.

    Also, if possible could you take a photograph and post how the bracket is positioned - as in what angle?

    Kind regards
    Lionel
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    it can only be fitted in one position. it supports the hose coming from the heater return pipe along the manifold. the small arc cut out lines up along the pump impeller cirumferance and the tab points out towards the front of the vehicle.

    If your pipes are all fitted correctly its not required but if mounts sag, the radiator moves, the hoses bulge or twist then it pays for itelf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    it can only be fitted in one position. it supports the hose coming from the heater return pipe along the manifold. the small arc cut out lines up along the pump impeller cirumferance and the tab points out towards the front of the vehicle.

    If your pipes are all fitted correctly its not required but if mounts sag, the radiator moves, the hoses bulge or twist then it pays for itelf.
    Hello Dave,

    Thank you for your detailed reply and for describing what the bracket is and what it is for.

    While it can only be fitted in one position - I am not sure which of the eight bolt holes is the correct place for it be fitted the right way?

    The lower three bolts are the longest ones (5, 6, 7) I cannot remember having the bracket on these longer bolts. Mostly because the bracket still had one of the shorter bolts in it after I undid the bolt and took it out.

    Kind regards
    Lionel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionelgee View Post
    Hello Dave,

    Thank you for your detailed reply and for describing what the bracket is and what it is for.

    While it can only be fitted in one position - I am not sure which of the eight bolt holes is the correct place for it be fitted the right way?

    The lower three bolts are the longest ones (5, 6, 7) I cannot remember having the bracket on these longer bolts. Mostly because the bracket still had one of the shorter bolts in it after I undid the bolt and took it out.

    Kind regards
    Lionel

    Dummy fit the water pump and the heater pipe return hose.

    there is only one bolt hole that the bracket can be fitted to where it will support the hose correctly. it will be either bolt 1 or 2 from your pic
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    It goes in position 1 in the pic you posted with the bolt numbers, and faces forward over the pulley. Like Dave says, it's to support the heater hose that comes off the bottom hose
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    Hello All,

    Thank you YouTube... Rimmer Brothers have a clip about replacing the water pump on a 300TDI Land Rover. A very blurry screen shot taken in the first minute could show the position off the bracket. Looks like it was in bolt hole Number 1.

    Video accessed 10th of May 2020 from, YouTube

    Thank you Dave for your description - it gave me a hint that I could use to track things down.

    Next time I will take some before I touched it photographs.

    Watching video clip ... watching video clip ... then at the 7:47 minute mark the instructor says. The bracket goes in the top bolt position. Doh!

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    Introducing "Squeak"

    Hello All,

    I think I have just named the D1 "Squeak". I put everything back how it should be with the fitting of a new water pump. Did the banshee wail go away? The answer is - Partially.

    I also worked out that the previous owner had fitted an extra adjustable hose clamp around the bracket and used it to secure the heater return hose in place.

    Squeak's Partial History
    Squeak's previous owner was involved in an accident that resulted in their being placed in a care facility. Squeak then sat idle for about 8 months. A friend of the family offered to sell items to assist with the care of the previous owner. The seller advertised how the tyres were pumped up and fluids checked. Then the vehicle was started and driven around the paddock. Before the accident Squeak was the previous owner's daily driver. As far as I am aware.

    Squeak's "Squeak"
    So after I had let Squeak idle and then engaged four wheel drive and driven over my causeway - creek bank multiple times the "squeak" seemed to diminish and go away. Is the squeak going away once the vehicle had been driven and warmed up symptomatic of future problems? Or should I not look a gift horse in the mouth? The scream to squeak to nothing emitted from the vicinity of the water pump, alternator and whatever the bottom pulley is running. Yes, I will buy a service manual for Squeak so I am not working blind so much.

    No Brakes?
    During the period of idleness something must have gone adrift with Squeak's brakes. There is still plenty of brake fluid in the reservoir; however, the pedal goes straight to the floor and does not apply the brakes. Only the handbrake works. What things should I check or look out for? Can sitting idle for close to a year affect the brakes? Or has something else happened to the brakes not from just sitting idle?

    Kind regards
    Lionel

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    Squeak

    Hi Lionel,
    A common cause of a squeak in tdi Discos is a warped tensioner arm that holds the idler pulley. It causes the belt to run out of line and hence squeak.
    The handbrake works on the transmission and definitely should not be used to stop the vehicle. Your brake problem sounds like a leak somewhere. Check calipers, hoses and pipes for visible fluid leak, and master cylinder and booster for internal problems.
    Good luck and let us know how you get on.
    Woolly.

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    I cured a squeak by replacing the bearing in the tensioner for the auxiliary (7PK) belt. I can't find my photos of what I did, so here's a you tube clip of one method.


    YouTube

    Have you checked the bearings in the alternator by spinning the pulley with the belt off?
    Don.

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