removing passenger airbag - is there a hole?

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Originally Posted by 87County

For off-roading, if the appropriate fuse was removed & the capacitor "power-down" period was taken, (ie. the SRS warning light would now stay on), would this remove the potential for unwanted airbag deployment?

thanks - L

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What is unwanted airbag deployment?

It isn't easy to get an airbag to go off in a crash situation. I can't imagine any offroad driving that would cause it, unless you actually had a crash. Then you would want it to go off anyway.

Probably not so well positioned in the Disco, however when I re-built my RRc I put another grab handle above the passengers door, same as used on later model RRc. When I sit in the passengers seat I find it very convenient.

Perhaps another handle or even a strap type handle could also be mounted to the side of the centre console or cubby box!

And no when belted up in the passengers seat it is very awkward and uncomfortable to reach forward to hold the grab handle on the dash.

Diana

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Originally Posted by BigJon

What is unwanted airbag deployment?

It isn't easy to get an airbag to go off in a crash situation. I can't imagine any offroad driving that would cause it, unless you actually had a crash. Then you would want it to go off anyway.

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The main reason air bags are disabled in the US (remembering that US airbags deploy at lower impact forces) is that when children sit behind a front seat airbag, the deployment hits them fully in the face and broken necks can result.

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Originally Posted by p38arover

Ron, was that a typo or were you being deliberately offensive?

(his name is Nice1guv - Nice one Guv)

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Deliberately offensive I take that as!

Hmmm...yes....well, "nice one guv" is a UK expression, I am not insinuating to be a "nice guy" RonMcGr or anything else.

Thankyou for your photo anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

:( Sorry if I and others have offended you, however I say the same thing to people riding (all sorts of things) without helmets, parents of children riding in cars without seatbelts, classic cars driven on roads without 3+ point seat belts fitted and so on. I guess it comes from working far too many distressing shifts in trauma centres.

No I don't have air-bags in my RRc, mine's too early, but I have often considered what it would take to convert!

Diana

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So you chastise me in an earlier post about possibly removing an airbag and the "very low value" I place on my passenger's head and neck and now your're saying you don't even have airbags!?

Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind! ;)

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Originally Posted by nice1guv

Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind! ;)

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I made a comment about safety, because I have direct experience in dealing with the consequences of road crash trauma. It is considered a professional responsibility for health professionals to educate the public about health issues, whether they choose to accept the information or reject it is their business.

There is something very different about not having a safety device because they were not available when I purchased my current Range Rover classic twenty something odd years ago and someone who has a safety device in their vehicle and wants to remove it.

As I said, I have often considered what it would take to fit airbags to my current car (other than replace it) and I also offered you an apology for any offence I may have caused.

Let us leave it there.

Diana

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I made a comment about safety, because I have direct experience in dealing with the consequences of road crash trauma. It is considered a professional responsibility for health professionals to educate the public about health issues, whether they choose to accept the information or reject it is their business.

There is something very different about not having a safety device because they were not available when I purchased my current Range Rover classic twenty something odd years ago and someone who has a safety device in their vehicle and wants to remove it.

As I said, I have often considered what it would take to fit airbags to my current car (other than replace it) and I also offered you an apology for any offence I may have caused.

Let us leave it there.

Diana

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You assume I have no knowledge of the health profession or of the consequences of road trauma, and then tell me that you have extensive experience in these areas and choose not to have a car with airbags?

Now, let us leave it there.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The main reason air bags are disabled in the US (remembering that US airbags deploy at lower impact forces) is that when children sit behind a front seat airbag, the deployment hits them fully in the face and broken necks can result.

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The original question referred to off road use. Nothing was mentioned about children.

Children should always be seated in appropriate seats with appropriate seatbelts (kiddy seats, boosters, etc). If they are small enough to be harmed by airbag deploytment, then they probably shouldn't be in the front anyway.

Also, US spec airbags (what this has to do with Australia is beyond me, but I didn't bring it up) are larger than Aus spec ones, due to Aussie airbags being Supplementary Restraint Sysytems (ie, used in conjunction with seatbelts) and US airbags being the only restraint in many cases, as seatbelt wearing is often not compulsory.

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Originally Posted by BigJon

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The main reason air bags are disabled in the US (remembering that US airbags deploy at lower impact forces) is that when children sit behind a front seat airbag, the deployment hits them fully in the face and broken necks can result.

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The original question referred to off road use. Nothing was mentioned about children.

Children should always be seated in appropriate seats with appropriate seatbelts (kiddy seats, boosters, etc). If they are small enough to be harmed by airbag deploytment, then they probably shouldn't be in the front anyway.

Also, US spec airbags (what this has to do with Australia is beyond me, but I didn't bring it up) are larger than Aus spec ones, due to Aussie airbags being Supplementary Restraint Sysytems (ie, used in conjunction with seatbelts) and US airbags being the only restraint in many cases, as seatbelt wearing is often not compulsory.

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BigJohn

The original question was about removing the airbag to fit the handrail!

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Originally Posted by nice1guv

On a D1, if I remove the passenger airbag in order to put in the grab handle - is there a hole left in the dash?

Do I need to fit a whole non-airbag dash?

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It was myself and others who asked why?

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It was me who surmised that Nice1Guv's question of removing the bag may be to prevent accidental/unintentional deployment when off road.

And it was in the previous sentence where children were mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

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... In the US to prevent injuries to children it is now legal to have disabling controls fitted to airbags for the passengers seats. There is no technical reason that similar isolation controls could not be fitted if you wished to disable the bag for off-road use.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

... and even secondary restraint system (SRS) which deploy at a higher speed than PRS bags as used in the US, have been a factor in reduction of severe injuries.

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Whether it is Supplimental or Secondary is semantics, but it was is my same original quote that I mentioned all of the issues: off-road use; children; and the difference between that and the primary restraint system of airbags in the US.

I apologised to Nice1Guv twice for any offence and he didn't want to close it off, so BigJohn I'm not going to apologise to you for anything.

Diana

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Originally Posted by nice1guv

So you chastise me in an earlier post about possibly removing an airbag and the "very low value" I place on my passenger's head and neck and now your're saying you don't even have airbags!?

Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind! ;)

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Lotz-A-Landies, you could have left it here but you wanted to get on your high and mighty box and preach about your "professional" opinions.

You could always sell the RRc and get a car with airbags for less you know - if it was that important to you!

Diana,

I didn't realise you had said anything to me that would require an apology from you! I certainly didn't think so.

As far as my refernce to an "original question", I was answering the one that I had quoted a part of. I wasn't refering to post #1. As you well know, threads on any forum can move away from the intent of the original (#1) poster. I point this out merely in the interests of clarification.

I certainly didn't intend to cause offence with my reply to you.

Still friends? :p