Td5 problems - Dealer is stealer?

**fatman** · 6th July 2010, 04:31 PM

Hello from Greece.
I am helping a friend with a disco td5,here is the story.
Diesel in oil promblem - dealer diagnosed cracked head,they tried a 2nd hand engine but it

knocked loud from the bottom,so they did the following.
They kept the original bottom end and bolted the cyl head from the knocked engine - bad

thing is that the cyl head is Euro 3 and the rest of the engine Euro 2.
According to Rave,cyl heads are not interchangeable,i removed the rocker cover,dealer used

old (euro2) injectors,the rest (camshaft,followers etc) is euro 3 as they aren't

interchangeable either.
Rave manual states that newer top end differs because newer injectors have increased stroke

for higher pressure,but i don't thing newer injectors can be used on older(euro2)

block,because -acoording to rave - the piston bowls are different(offset).
They mixed and matched the egr,the fuel pressure regulator etc.
Enough with the theory,the main problem is that the disco is guttless above 2300 rpm,top

speed on flat road is 120kms,on (very)large descent reaches 135.
Spend 8 hours of nanocom testing,checked-fixed the following.
Wastegate and wastegate modulator - OK
EGR - OK
Oil in harness - OK
Maf - OK
Injector codes - OK
Map sensor - OK
Boost adjusted - OK
Fueling readings on nanocom,similar to my healthy(knock on wood) disco.
Haven't checked fuel pressure and pump yet,but it was ok before the cyl head fix.
Dealer insists that disco runs ok

I am inclined that engine runs out of fuel but not because of overboost or ECM strategy to

protect the engine.
SSSooooo the dealer mix and match is right?
Or its time to wear the boxing gloves?
Any opinions are wellcome..
Thanks.

**stig0000** · 6th July 2010, 04:44 PM

the engine is probs running "right" , but since they have mixed so meny diffrent parts its not running to its best, id deffs take it back,

just that the pistions are wrong it wont bern the fuel right

, and thats just to start with

**Blknight.aus** · 6th July 2010, 04:55 PM

if they are a dealer they are obligated to use the correct OEM parts to do the job unless you authorize them to do otherwise.

you could try having the vehicle independently assessed and seeing what comes out of that.

**fatman** · 6th July 2010, 04:58 PM

Thanks for the quick response.
Problem is that dealers says "Its ok",so i have to prove that this mix is not right..
Another question,newer injectors differ in length??
Can they be used on older td5's?
I wander what they did with the camshaft gear also..
Manual states that newer td5's (euro 3),have thicker chain,sprockets so they might used old camshfaft running gear,bolted to newer type-style cam and cyl head..

**IamKONG** · 6th July 2010, 05:34 PM

i had a similar problem a few months ago. i bouth a troopy and noticed it needed replaced seels and was fine with that but on further inspection it was alot worse and also the main tank was leaking and there was couple of other things the dealer didnt mention to me, but they still stood buy that "its ok". all i did was went onto the consumer affairs website, heaps of info and theres a thing called "implied warranty" and it has a list of what must be right with the car anything that isnt dealer has to fix. get the car taken to a few specialist mechanics and get a quote and there thoughts. if what they say falls under the implied warranty then the dealer has to repair it, you could also just ring consumer affairs for general advice. hope this helps

i ended up getting my money back within 2 weeks after consumer got involved. but hopefully you wont have to go threw that all the best

**Blknight.aus** · 6th July 2010, 06:33 PM

I suspect that providing you do an all in one swap you can use an EU3 head (complete with injectors, valve gear and cam) on an EU2 block providing you also change over the timing chain gear.

you could try getting your dealer to provide the part numbers of the parts they used and then have give landrover proper a call to see what they think.

**catch-22** · 6th July 2010, 11:46 PM

They might not have a consumer affairs equivalent in greece

**fatman** · 28th July 2010, 10:13 PM

Well, the saga continues

I doublechecked things again.
The cyl was swapped complete from a euro 3 engine,not mixed components there.
I also changed a fuel filter,swapped a fuel pump,no difference.
How can i check if the timing is correct,there are no marks on the crankshaft pulley, i remove the valve cover and observe the valves and injectors but TDC?
How can i check that the number 1 piston is on the TDC?

**Blknight.aus** · 29th July 2010, 04:48 AM

remove the rocker cover and use the timing pin.

grab a copy of the RAVE CD and all will become clear (click on daves interesting things from the banner ads)

**fatman** · 29th July 2010, 02:20 PM

I have a copy,but i don't understand this procedure :

9. Using crankshaft pulley bolt, rotate crankshaft
and set engine to TDC No.1 cylinder firing -
coloured links on timing chain must be aligned
with timing mark on camshaft sprocket.
10. Fit timing pin LRT-12-058 into slot in camshaft.

How i know that the piston is at the TDC and the timing is right,from the top i can see the camshaft marks,but the correct crankshaft position?
Maybe i must remove the first injector,or the crankshaft pulley...ggrrrrr i want to kick the dealers butt...

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