Thread: On going 3 amigos and fault definition

I have thought about this more. I guess if you do the repair in good faith to repair a fault that exists that could cause a accident (3 amigos that is), you can't be liable for man slaughter. Lets face it the problem remains there because LR wont fix it, if anyone is in the **** I feel its them if anyone dies as a result of the recurring fault. The option b mod is outside the ABS unit itself although the mod involves the SVS a bolt on replaceable item. You would have to say that if done properly and once again in good faith to make your car safer, how can you get in trouble for that. Manslaughter comes about when someone knowingly does something reckless that may cause a mechanical failure, eg using garden hose for brake lines.

Originally Posted by BIG O

I have thought about this more. I guess if you do the repair in good faith to repair a fault that exists that could cause a accident (3 amigos that is), you can't be liable for man slaughter. Lets face it the problem remains there because LR wont fix it, if anyone is in the S#@T I feel its them if anyone dies as a result of the recurring fault. The option b mod is outside the ABS unit itself although the mod involves the SVS a bolt on replaceable item. You would have to say that if done properly and once again in good faith to make your car safer, how can you get in trouble for that. Manslaughter comes about when someone knowingly does something reckless that may cause a mechanical failure, eg using garden hose for brake lines.

Don't worry BigO, I agree entirely, but I can see that having this discussion with a coroner or insurance company could have a completely different result

JC

In many years times from now and nearly every D2 on earth treated with a good case of Option B and not one accident as a result, the insurance companies and coroners will have to look elsewhere.

Also the insurance companies/police forensics look to see if the brakes are working and not malfunctioning. Mmmmmmm....yes they are with Option B. They would also need to do a major autopsy to even find Option B (assuming they don't own a D2 that is)

If Option B had some undesirable results I'm sure it would be common knowledge by now.

Lets review in another 5 years times.

Regards
Andrew

Originally Posted by BIG O

using garden hose for brake lines.

Uh Oh...

There have been quite a few reports from members here over the years. Having said that I have 170,000, on my 02 D2 and since LR replaced the modulator at about 30,000k in 03/04 it has not played up. I have a mate with a D2a with 110000 and no ABS faults. So perhaps the solder takes longer to break down in some units I dont know.

Having said that can anyone tell me what Option B is doing and why the ABS modulator is still working as Mr LR intended. I have read the description of what the guy is doing on the site linked above but cant get it straight in my head...a basic explanation would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

There have been quite a few reports from members here over the years. Having said that I have 170,000, on my 02 D2 and since LR replaced the modulator at about 30,000k in 03/04 it has not played up. I have a mate with a D2a with 110000 and no ABS faults. So perhaps the solder takes longer to break down in some units I dont know.

Having said that can anyone tell me what Option B is doing and why the ABS modulator is still working as Mr LR intended. I have read the description of what the guy is doing on the site linked above but cant get it straight in my head...a basic explanation would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Instead of the circuit being interupted by the fault at the circuit board plug, Option B bypasses the faulty plug section using a wire externally.
It is that simple.

Think of your TV being plugged into a faulty power board, sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, a bit of wriggle may make it work or maybe not. Instead of replacing the power board you just plug directly into the power point.

The main issue people have is understanding how the circuit works and what the Fault actually is.

I have bought a new SVS unit, plan A is to replace the faulty unit & if I keep getting problems to do option B at my leisure on the old unit & stuff it in. One question; when removing the SVS unit is there any loss of brake fluid? From reading I think no (esp Psimpson7 post) but as the subject above, just checking... thanks!