Reply With QuoteI have been using the Penrite fluid for almost a year now and it has been happy. Was easy enough to source through Repco.
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That Castrol fluid you've linked to isn't a Transmax Z replacement, it's a good old Dex III mineral oil.
Transmax Z should still be available in Europe but probably only from truck parts suppliers as it was used in large ZF auto's.
I think some BMW cars specified it too.
Just had a look and Transmax Z is still listed on Castrol European sites for heavy transport use, it has MAN, ZF and MB approvals but I'm guessing is probably only available in 20l drums ?
A substitute may be something like this http://www.fuchsoil.co.za/Products/T...0%5BFES%5D.pdf but I think this is more like a CFH-11S replacement fluid with an ultra high viscosity index, so it may or may not work.
Otherwise, splurge out on the right stuff, Texaco Cold Climate 33270
YarnMaster
SupporterI have been using the Penrite fluid for almost a year now and it has been happy. Was easy enough to source through Repco.
Fossicker
Hi Rick,
Your were right. That Fuchs stuff is nearly the same as the CHF-11S
thank you so much for your suggestion and for the link.
Don't know why we have to go to South Africa to get that product data sheets and why they can't be obtained from the Fuchs central website.
I've emailed both Fuchs and Ravenol and am waiting for the answer.
As the change of fluid would require a total flush and drain of the system (which is highly unlikely to happen as the rams are nearly impossible to drain and flush) I might better stick with higlhy expensive Texaco or the Penrite.
I've called Penrite's distributor and did not know what I was talking about......
Best regards and thank you
Robert
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Ask for Penrite PAS 107. Hopefully that will get you what you need (see link in earlier post). Otherwise just use the LR stuff from the dealer. You don't need much for a top up or a bleed and your problem is solved for a few Euros.Originally Posted by RFollia
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Not too many Repco stores in Spain I'd think
YarnMaster
SupporterAh, here I was thinking AULRO was the Australian Land Rover Owners, not SLRO...Not too many Repco stores in Spain I'd think
My post above was just an update for anyone interested, since I hadn't mentioned it since I started this thread...
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and I thought your post was a response to RFollia's post as he'd mentioned the trouble he'd had with his Penrite importer
Fossicker
Sorry to pull up this old post.
I continued researching and that's what I found
1.- The OEM Texaco 14315 or 33270, made both from Unobtanium, is (or was) available 66% cheaper thorugh DAF truck dealers as Cold Climate PAS fluid, which complied with LR's 14315-33270. Seems it was available in 20-litre drums but... now seems only in 100-litre ones.
2.- Transmax Z from CAstrol, recommended by many of you. Problem is specs are different Oz-wise from Europe ones.
OZ-specs transmax Z:
http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp...Transmax_Z.pdf
In Spain there are 3 kinds of Transmax, (Dual, Multi vehicle and Z). I have downloaded the PDS and datas are not the same as the oz- version.
I will be phoning texaco Spain to find alternatives.
3.- Penrite's PSF is more expensive than the STC50519 stuff, in Spain.
Best regards from Spain
Robert
Fossicker
So, more news, after a lot browsing:
After having called FEBI (Ferdinand Bilstein, Germans, who have a very good oil range) and being told they don't stock that one (ahh the joys of 33270)
-I contacted TExaco baltic, where the oil is being manufactured and stocked, Got access to PDS, and guess what, it's almost the same as Texaco Texamatic 7045E (only a little bit viscosity for ambient temperatures we will never experience in continental Europe).
So there goes the PDS:
http://www.sjk.com.my/specifications...atic_7045E.pdf
Color Red
Pour Point, °C -51
Viscosity, Brookfield
mPa.s @ -40°C 17500
Viscosity, Kinematic
mm²/s @ 40°C 33.8
mm²/s @ 100°C 7.4
Viscosity Index 194
Performance standards
Allison C-4 fluid (Approval No. C4-30353901)
• General Motors GM6417M
(obsolete DEXRON®-IIIG)
• MAN Standard 339 Type F
• Voith 55.6335 (DIWA and Midimat)
• ZF TE-ML 02F, 04D, 17C
• ZF Lenksysteme TE-ML 09A, 09B.
The most important is being TE-ML 09B compliant, which is for steering racks.
Even the TExaco oil chooser states the TExamatic 7045E as direct use fluid for PAS and stability control in the D2, D3 and RRS.
Texaco
Besides, the original stuff is readily available in Latvia, but it's a little too far away.
There is another fluid which complies with all those performance level,
Wolf oil central hydraulic fluid, the Titan ZH4300
http://www.wolfoil.com/update/docume...aal/5078ne.pdf
Complies with the TE-ML09B, the Chrysler MS-5931, the GM wide temperature range (9985835) , but it's the data sheet which does not convince me, it's too thin for my liking, thinner than the texaco OEM stuff
Best regards
Robert
Fossicker
Soo, after more investigation I have found another suitable oils:
1.- For these ones lucky enough to live in the USA, Canada or Honduras (where it's sold) it's the Castrol GT power steering fluid
that meets spec by spec the Texaco original's specs in terms of viscosity
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/secti...tentId=7024046
This is NOT available in Europe or anywhere outside CAnada, USA and Honduras
There are the specs
http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp...erSteering.pdf
Viscosity@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 32
Viscosity@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 7.5
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 214
Color, Typical ASTM D-1500 7.0
Appearance Clear, straw-colored
Brookfield Viscosity @ -40 C, max, cP ASTM D-2983 20,000
Flash Point, COC, min °F (°C) ASTM D-92 350 (177)
Specific Gravity, 60°F ASTM D-1298 0.85
Pounds per Gallon 7.14
Exceeds performance requirements of GM9985010 (Part No. 1050017 and 1052884), Chrysler MS-5931 (Hydro boost
systems), Saab (Part No. 45-30 09-800) and Volkswagen TL-VW-570-26 (Part No. ZVW 239-902). Suitable for use in
applications where DEXRON, DEXRON-II, DEXRON-IID, DEXRON-III or MERCON is required.
Does not seem to meet gm 9985835 (GM wide temperature spec) but meets all the other ones of the OEM texaco
It does not state if it's mineral, semi synth or synthetic 100%, but would be a good alternative
2.- I have found another oil, suitable for nearly everything, available both in red and in clear /brown.
The divinol ATF-C premium VI. I had never, to be honest, found a PAS oil meeting so many specs. To the Chrysler MS5931, The GM 9985010 (Saginaw racks), Saab, ZF TE-ML-09, meets even the GM 9985835 (wide temperature pefromance, equivalent to part #12345867), so I guess it's the same stuff and compatible.
http://www.zeller-gmelin.de/medias/s...I-EN-51800.pdf
Density/15°C / DIN 51 757: 848 kg/m³
Colour / DIN ISO 2049: Clear
Flash point (Cleveland) / DIN ISO 2592: 208 °C
Pour point / DIN ISO 3016: <-35°C
Viscosity/100°C / DIN 51 562: 7.5 mm²/s
Viscosity/40°C / DIN 51 562: 36.7 mm²/s
Viscosity index / DIN ISO 2909: 181
Recommended as servo oil for following cars:
Acura P/N 08206-9002 A; Chrysler MS-1872, MS-5931, P/N 04883077, MS-9602, ATF+4; Ford M2C 195-A; GM
P/N 89021184, GM 9985010; P/N 1052884; GM 9985835; P/N12345866; Honda P/N 08206-9002 A; Hyundai PSF-
3; Kia PSF-3; Mercedes-Benz 236.3, P/N 000 989 88 03; Mitsubishi PS Fluid, Diamond SP III; Nissan PSF-II; Saab
P/N (45) 30 09 800; Subaru P/N K 0209 A 0080; Toyota PSF Type EH, P/N 008886-01
Even suits a lot of other cars, but it's slightly more viscous than the OEM stuff, and the CHF11s is much thinner, so maybe there comes the ACE pump noise.
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Might use it as guinea pig, have to find distributor as well....In amazon Germany it's about 7,99 euros/quart, so very good price.
IT's available dyed in red without the "C" (for clear) in the name.
To sum up
1.- OEM crap or the DAF rebranded stuff
2.- Texamatic 7045E (Recommended by Texaco). Unavailable currently in Spain as texaco withdrew and sold licenses and assets to Cepsa. To be reintroduced shortly
3.- The Ravenol PSF (rebranded Texaco Texamatic)
4.- Divinol or Castrol GT power Steering fluid
5.- FEbi yellow PAS fluid (meets chrysler, Saab, GM 9985010 specs and ZF TE ML-09)
6.- Ravenol PSF-Y fluid (meets the same specs but fullly synth)
7.- CHF 11s maybe with some additive to thicken it a little bit.
Cheers from the other side of the pond
Robert
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