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    Smile Buying D2 questions about windscreen, window seal

    G’day
    A very keen newbie here, who has been unintentionally lurking somewhat for two years for info on service and repair of a D1 V8i and things to look out for in the purchase of a D2 TD5. We’ve had our 1997 V8i D1 400,000km for two years. Great engine, clunky gearbox, tricky ABS system… and have been looking for a D2 TD5 7 seater for fuel economy and more comfortable rear seats for an expanding family of in-laws (which is perhaps safer than an expanding family of outlaws I suppose, with no offence meant to the Kelly gang).

    Up until now my approach to vehicles has been to buy in a private sale as cheap a vehicle as possible and spend the rest on fixing all its problems, to avoid the risk of buying high and having expensive problems anyway. However TD5 D2’s under $9k (even 5-seat and base models) seem to disappear very quickly, before we can even go to inspect them. After just missing out on a $6000 D2 in Byron last Wednesday I have begun to consider changing my approach and looking at dealer cars. After a fair amount of looking I found a 7-seater D2 TD5 automatic, stated to be an MY01 but year of manufacture given on rego at 2000 at a nearby diesel mechanic’s yard. The car was apparently used for towing a horse float (about the central Gold Coast and interstate I imagine), and has around 290k km on the odometer. The ECU loom has just been replaced and from my scarce experience with the TD5 the engine it seems to runs very well, blows no smoke, with no sign of oil leaks, trans leaks or any other leaks after a spirited 25min freeway drive.


    My questions are about minor issues with the car and whether I should consider them a major consideration.

    The first and main concern is the fresh windscreen replacement. The mechanic-dealer had fully detailed the car and then sent it to an interior shop to have the drooping headlining replaced. The interior guy apparently cracked the windscreen and had to have it replaced by the local glazier who said he fitted an original spec screen. The windscreen on inspection doesn’t say Pilkington (says YBBG) and moreover the car hasn’t had much use since the work was completed so I am not yet assured that it does not leak – a concern with aftermarket windscreens I gather. All the other windows have the Pilkington Optikool insignia Has anyone heard of YBBG? I’d appreciate your thoughts on non-proprietary windscreens, particularly in terms of leaks, strength, UV protection.

    The second is about internal finish. Firstly, driver door inner window seal. I’m referring to the rubber seal on the sill of the window. The one in place looks to have been manhandled a few times (perhaps during previous owner’s ‘servicing’ of the winder mechanism?) and is warped and out of place, sitting 7-10mm proud on one end. How difficult is it to replace? (On my old VW Kombi, I had to remove the window pane to replace the external seal and couldn’t find any way to attach the inner without pulling the door apart! I hope it’s not the same on a D2!). The other is the plastic trim for the auto stick shifter, which doesn’t appear to be fastened down at all and moves about readily! Are these two issues hard to fix (and common?) on the D2? Any ideas here would be great.

    Cheers!

    Rich

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    Hi rich, I doubt a car dealer would install genuine glass, they will do it at a budget. Original spec glass and genuine are 2 different animals.
    YGGB probably means something like "Yanhgsai bloody budget glass".
    O'Briens fitter told me that nearly all glass is now sourced form China
    The plastic auto shifter trim is plastic and has 4 plastic tangs that hold. it down.
    I'd say it is either not clipped in place correctly or the plastic tangs are broken off.
    To check put leaver in neutral, and pull the gear knob up to get off. It is really tight , so be careful you don't punch yourself in the face as you apply pulling force. Then you should see 4 plastic tangs. I found clipping it back on took a bit of time on mine.
    cheers,

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    @It'sNotWorthComplaining A very helpful reply! Thank you! I had a suspicion that Chinese-made aftermarket glass would be the common cheaper option for a windscreen. I guess the approach is to check the glazier's warranty and make replacement if leaking within the first month or two a condition a of purchase. I wonder how many of these aftermarket screens do leak/cause other problems.

    Given that the interior folks managed to bust a $1000 windscreen while replacing the liner I feel a little doubtful about their work too, so perhaps I should check see how long their work is guaranteed.

    That's very helpful info regarding the auto shifter trim! Thank you! Next time I go to see the car I'll get the dealer to allow me to check that out.

    I'm thinking of bargaining the dealer down over these issues, if despite these nigglements it's a feasible buy, that is.
    Thanks again!

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    Given that you've been watching the forum for some time, you'll have noticed the 'Shop' tab on the header. Have a look in there, and buy for $small, RAVE 2. This CD will have all the fixit info you require for large and small operations on D2.

    You'll get a better feel for the ways to do things with a careful read.

    HTH

    Pete
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    Windscreen

    AFAIK the Land Rover front screen has NO BLUE BAND across the top only the
    THIN BLACK DOTTED LINE around outside of the screen.
    Mine came with an aftermarket screen fitted. The blue band obscures my vision. I am 188cm tall however.
    I have had many aftermarket screens fitted over the years and all but one have been fine. The only time i have had trouble with water leaking was nothing to do with the glass or seal, the metal around the screen was slightly deformed from accident damage.
    Just make sure they use plenty of sealant and flood the screen at a car wash a couple of days after fitting to make sure it does not leak.
    The screen was broken most likely by them taking a short cut.

    As a former caryard detailer i cant figure out why you would send it to have the roof fixed after its had its interior detailed only to have to clean the inside again when it comes back.

    Hope that helps.

    R2

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    It'sNotWorthComplaining! Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by R2D2 View Post
    AFAIK the Land Rover front screen has NO BLUE BAND across the top only the
    THIN BLACK DOTTED LINE around outside of the screen.
    Mine came with an aftermarket screen fitted. The blue band obscures my vision. I am 188cm tall however.
    I have had many aftermarket screens fitted over the years and all but one have been fine. The only time i have had trouble with water leaking was nothing to do with the glass or seal, the metal around the screen was slightly deformed from accident damage.
    Just make sure they use plenty of sealant and flood the screen at a car wash a couple of days after fitting to make sure it does not leak.
    The screen was broken most likely by them taking a short cut.

    As a former caryard detailer i cant figure out why you would send it to have the roof fixed after its had its interior detailed only to have to clean the inside again when it comes back.

    Hope that helps.

    R2
    I had a blue band on my WS on my old D1, was forever ducking to see the road ahead 'cause I'm 190cm.
    When I had it replaced I had a non banded WS fitted with the fine border of black dots. It was installed by O'B and 1st rain we had I noticed the laminate film in between the glass start to take on a fogged appearance starting in the bottom left corner. Water was getting in between the glass layers They replaced it straight away.

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    Check the front tail shaft (and try to scam a replacement if possible, and tell then a tom woods is way cheaper than genuine (+ better)). They are a definite fail point as well. The auto surround can be prised up without removal of the knob. Just remember when you pull the knob don't twist.

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    Thanks Pierre, I'll check out the RAVE 2 CD in the shop!

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    Thanks R2,
    It's good to hear that aftermarket screens can be okay, and that as I had imagined it's probably more in how it is fitted. Very helpful info on the markings as my preference is for an original screen, mostly because replacing windscreens on any vehicle can leak (again depending on how it was fitted). Mind you in my price range, beggars can't be choosers and I'm aware that any ten year+ old machine used off road is fairly likely to have had a windscreen replacement, so it's encouraging to hear aftermarket ones can be good.Cheers!

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    Thank you Clubagreenie
    I'll investigate the front prop shaft option.
    Googling tom woods now.
    Thank you kindly!

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