Thread: Disco 2 - V8 or Td5

if its been looked after and you dont want your mechanic to hate you forever get
the TD5..

Haven't you got an Isuzu in one of your D1s? (not a TD5)

Look I guess when I wrote the above it was from the perspective of someone who does all their own labour.

A 10 year old car selling for 10-20k with 200Kks on it is OLD. You cannot know its history. I recall recently someone with aTD5 finding a bent rod, another who cannot get rid of vibration. If you one with an undisclosed fault it is going to cost big time.

I think a mechanic such as Graeme Cooper would love to service etc a V8. after all that is why they are in business. And a V8 is just a big ole simple Jigsaw puzzle. Do mechanics hate Commodore V6s? Basically the same. If you buy one with 100KKs , then you have 5-7 years of use before probably spending 2-3 grand on a cam, lifters and head gaskets. ( if you are lucky) whereas a 200Kk TD5 is getting up around the 300KK which is getting up there.


Regards Philip A

both my D1s are tdis ones a 2 the others a 3.

If the v8s such a big ole simple jigsaw puzzle huh ok change the rocker cover gaskets on the V8 for me while I do it on a td5. Id go so far as to bet that in a workshop (for cleanliness reasons on behalf of the TD5) changing the injectors on a td5 can be done quicker than on a V8.

if you're lucky the v8 will give stock performance for 200K Km and then you need to pull it down to do the cam and lifters whereas a looked after td5 is good for 500K Km on all the oem original parts.

Theres a laundry list of things on both motors that can go wrong and for about 90% of them the same item on the td5 is easier to get to and repair. That and the td5 doesnt slip liners.

Dont forget the landrover is (or was) about the last make of vehicle that was designed to get "old" so while 10 years and 200Km is ancient for a throwaway car a landrover is just getting into the prime of its life.


and at 200K Km in 10 years, thats relitively young, Iv'e only purchased 2 cars in my life that were newer than that and both were brand new from the showroom floor. (a wrx and Big Red)

The real key to purchasing what you're calling an "old" vehicle is to have a real anorak check it out for you. Its a service I offer if called on and Im sure theres at least one other in every other capital city that would do the same.

Blacknight I hear what you say, but I can recall the son of a prominent Sydney specialist buying a 300Tdi with 247KK AFAIR .

He was bitterly complaining to me months later that everything was going wrong and he had replaced clutch, starter motor , alternator, water pump that I can recall.
Yet his father and the workshop team has (presumably) gone over the vehicle, and the person I am referring to is maybe as much an anorak as you and currently spends his time rebuilding R380s and LT77s as far as I know.
Its not only the basic motor that drives you mad over 200KK, it's all the niggles.

Regards Philip A

Its ok for owners of good TD5's to comment, but I think part of the problem is finding one in the second hand market that you can have confidence in. I have accompanied my mate recently to look at a bunch of them at all different yards and private sellers. They were all over 200,000k and with either nil or dubious service histories (you know the ones...same pen for each entry over 100,000k...) and NIL receipts for services, except for replacement parts such as the loom/computer full of oil that LR never found a solution for and costs a bomb to replace.

On the other hand there were plenty of low k V8's.

The TD5 SHOULD in theory last many more k's than the V8's but in practice it is hit and miss and the miss is big dollars potentially - and on the way you have a turbo to go wrong, the engine harness, and head gaskets/cracks also. In a perfect world buying a TD5 at 100k serviced under warranty etc would probably be the better buy than a V8 at the same k's, but its not as simple as that.



Cheers

Admittedly I have a D1, but my experience working on the V8 was an interesting one. When the V8 told me it was time to do major work in January I had a dilemma. At the end of it I have an new engine that drives beautifully and keeps getting better.

Were it strictly a town car, I'd have chosen wisely.

However, I just spent 2 weeks in WA following the Australasian Safari and seeing country I very much want to return to. I've come home kicking myself for putting $4,500 into a rebuild that's not much use for touring.

If I could go back I'd have broken up the Disco (sadly) and sold off the bits to fund a diesel - either D2 or 110/130.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Blacknight I hear what you say, but I can recall the son of a prominent Sydney specialist buying a 300Tdi with 247KK AFAIR .

He was bitterly complaining to me months later that everything was going wrong and he had replaced clutch, starter motor , alternator, water pump that I can recall.
Yet his father and the workshop team has (presumably) gone over the vehicle, and the person I am referring to is maybe as much an anorak as you and currently spends his time rebuilding R380s and LT77s as far as I know.
Its not only the basic motor that drives you mad over 200KK, it's all the niggles.

Regards Philip A

I know who you're talking about, (well I assume we're talking about the same person, they look after a wrecking yard that specialises in landy reclaimed parts) Startermotors are a lot hit and miss, clutches well the v8 and the tdi both have them and how they last is usually dependant on how you drive.

I dont usually call the life of an engine based on its accessories, yes they bare on the total cost of the vehicle and running it but would you rather have an engine that can make 500K Km+ before rebuild work was required even if you had to replace items like the starter motor, alternator, AC pump fan pully bearing and the water pump or one that makes about 200-250K km before becoming tired enough to need rebuild work as well as having to replace things like the starter motor, alternator, AC pump fan pully bearing and the water pump.

as for the 200K Km deal..

200K Km of country miles is likely to net you a vehicle in a lot better condition than one thats got 100K Km of city miles on it.

dont forget opening prices are just that opening prices.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Its ok for owners of good TD5's to comment, but I think part of the problem is finding one in the second hand market that you can have confidence in. I have accompanied my mate recently to look at a bunch of them at all different yards and private sellers. They were all over 200,000k and with either nil or dubious service histories (you know the ones...same pen for each entry over 100,000k...) and NIL receipts for services, except for replacement parts such as the loom/computer full of oil that LR never found a solution for and costs a bomb to replace.

On the other hand there were plenty of low k V8's.

The TD5 SHOULD in theory last many more k's than the V8's but in practice it is hit and miss and the miss is big dollars potentially - and on the way you have a turbo to go wrong, the engine harness, and head gaskets/cracks also. In a perfect world buying a TD5 at 100k serviced under warranty etc would probably be the better buy than a V8 at the same k's, but its not as simple as that.



Cheers

Sound like the V8 crowd are getting a bit sulky.

The service history is slightly over-rated. Without documentation to support all you know is someone applied a stamp. One td5 I looked at had Ritters stamped services for the previous three intervals. When I booked the d2 for an inspection I mentioned this to the service manager who told me they had never had the car in their workshop. It turned out the seller had a mate who worked at Ritters in a no service role, who did oil changes after hours, and borrowed the service stamp.

Mine had no history for the previous 40,000km and 208k on the clock but was solid to drive and came through an inspection with flying colors. Perhaps I'll pay down the track but it's trouble free after 22k under my ownership.

And yes I've driven a disco 1 v8 manual with 125K km on the clock. I spent a week with it before I bought the td5 - I didn't feel that the stg1 chipped td5 lacked anything in power compared with the v8.

I guess we shouldn't mention slipped liners or there will be tears before bedtime.

Cheers
Paul

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I know who you're talking about, (well I assume we're talking about the same person, they look after a wrecking yard that specialises in landy reclaimed parts) Startermotors are a lot hit and miss, clutches well the v8 and the tdi both have them and how they last is usually dependant on how you drive.

I dont usually call the life of an engine based on its accessories, yes they bare on the total cost of the vehicle and running it but would you rather have an engine that can make 500K Km+ before rebuild work was required even if you had to replace items like the starter motor, alternator, AC pump fan pully bearing and the water pump or one that makes about 200-250K km before becoming tired enough to need rebuild work as well as having to replace things like the starter motor, alternator, AC pump fan pully bearing and the water pump.

as for the 200K Km deal..

200K Km of country miles is likely to net you a vehicle in a lot better condition than one thats got 100K Km of city miles on it.

dont forget opening prices are just that opening prices.

The 97 d1 with 125k km mentioned above had issues resulting from short trips for it entire life. The owner had done lots of 5km trips and the engine never got properly warmed up. Despite the vehicle having a book service every 6 months I wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole, even though it was being offered at family pricing.

Cheers
Paul