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Re the pics of the failed point penetrating the recovery vehicle, I have looked and for the life of me can not find it now. I think it was in an old 4b mag of mid 80s vintage from memory, SWMBO may have pyro'ed it by now :( Cant find anything online that resembles it Sorry.
Cheers Scott
my brother in-law has bought stuff off of them and he wasn't satisfied with their service. his mates have had the same experience. it seems like a common occurrence in ARB stores, but i am sure there are good ones out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CJT
I would have to say that I have always had exceptional service at UV4x4 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yerok30
There have been a number of accidents where the recovery strap has been connected to a towball.BobQuote:
Originally Posted by schuy1
This has been discussed before, the end result was no recovery points have been engineered for Discovery vehicles. I bought the MR Auto ones, and they confirmed this. It is not recommended you recover off the ARB bar, it should be towing only. The points I bought off MR were attached to the chassis, using the the same bolt holes the bar uses, the bar and points share the attachment point, longer bolts of the correct tensile strength are needed. Bob [ some more info from ARB]
From the earlier discussion;
The discussion on recovery points led me to do some research on just what , if any , Australian standard or ADR requirement was related to recovery points. Short answer- NONE. MR Auto. do not test or rate their recovery points. According to ARB Queensland, ARB are the only company in Australia currently doing design & development of recovery points. So far only five vehicles have ARB engineer designed & tested points :
Mazda BT50/ Ford Ranger
Toyota Landcruiser 70 series
Toyota Hi-lux 2005 on
Nissan GU Patrol 3,0 l. 2002 0n
" Currently there is no Australian Standard that relates to vehicle recovery points, nor an ADR requirement and to ARB's knowledge very few vehicle manufacturers claim their tow points to be rated for vehicle recovery. Other items like bow shackles that are used to connect recovery straps do have mandatory standards but these apply to their use as a lifting device and the safety margins required for lifting gear and the proof loads used to test these components are far too high to be practically applied to vehicle recovery use.
With this in mind, ARB has from the outset of this project, sought to set a new industry benchmark for how recovery points are designed, tested, & selected by customers.This concept has been christened the ' recovery train' which like the drive train of a vehicle , comprises a series of connected & matched components.
There are many types of generic tow hooks available on the market rated to 10000 lbs or similar, and whilst these may be suitably rated for vehicle recovery, their design is not vehicle specific & therefore mounting of these hooks is left in the hands of the purchaser with no information on how or where to mount on their vehicle. This then leaves the question on whether the surface they have been mounted to can handle the load exerted on the hook during a recovery. " It goes on to say; " One of the largest users of recovery equipment are organisations that have fleets of 4wd vehicles working in mines or remote area environments & ARB has worked closely with these large fleet owners to ensure the design & function of the recovery points are compatible with their OH&S requirements' " and:
" An important design requirement was the ability for the points to be rated in a angled direction of pull and this has been achieved for angles up to the max. turn angle of the front wheels of the vehicle. The ARB recovery points have a long slot that allows the recommended bow shackle to be fed through and the strap attached via the pin instead of the bow. This allows even distribution of the recovery force through the shackle to avoid side loads on the pin.Side loads on the pin invoke forces that tend to open up the shackle, putting unwanted load on its weakest point, the pin threads."
and some more;
ARB Recovery Equipment
http://www.arb.com.au/media/products...point_main.jpg
Recovery Points
Strong, reliable recovery points are essential for off road driving but the lack of industry standards regarding rated tow points has caused confusion among four wheel drivers for many years. With this in mind, ARB has sought to set a new industry benchmark for how recovery points are designed, tested and selected by 4WDers.
ARB’s recovery point range seeks to address issues surrounding generic tow points and their unsuitability for a range of recovery situations. These issues include questionable and untested mounting locations, confusion regarding the selection of rated shackles and straps, and the inability of generic tow points to safely handle stresses generated by an angled pull during vehicle recovery.
There are huge advantages to the ARB range in terms of simplifying the selection of recovery points and associated equipment. Like the drive train of a vehicle which comprises a series of connected and matched components, ARB has engineered a ‘Recovery Train’ in which the vehicle specific recovery point is rated for use with a 4.75t rated bow shackle and 8000kg snatch strap.
Each ARB recovery point is built from the ground up and undergoes considerable research and design involving actual vehicle chassis samples and CAD data relating to critical front sections of the vehicle. Dozens of designs are explored, with the more promising models built into prototypes and tested on the actual vehicle chassis using ARB’s various load and destructive testing equipment.
Some vehicle models demand very complex mounting systems to ensure fitment does not affect air bag deployment in the event of an accident. But with months of design and testing dedicated to each individual recovery point, ARB’s engineers ensure that the crush pulse of the vehicle remains unaffected, whilst also ensuring the recovery points are fitted in the optimal location to handle the stresses experienced during vehicle recovery.
An important design requirement is the ability of these points to be rated in an angled direction of pull and this has been achieved for angles up to the maximum turn angle of the front wheels of the vehicle. With this requirement came questions of how the snatch strap is attached to the point, and for this reason ARB recovery points have a long slot that allows the bow of the shackle to be fed through and the strap attached via the pin instead of the bow. This allows the shackle to pivot within the recovery points to avoid side loads on the pin.
Supported by a two year warranty, ARB currently manufactures recovery points for the following vehicles:
We are continually investing in research and development for new products. Please check with your local ARB store for the latest additions to this range and important vehicle specific information
- Pre 2011 Mazda BT-50
- Pre 2011 Ford Ranger
- Toyota HiLux 2005 On
- Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series 1999 On
- Nissan GU Patrol 3.0L T/D Feb 02 – On
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Originally Posted by CJT
I have made three attempts to order the RP4 recovery points by phone now from UV4X4 Enoggera and each time I have spoken to someone who didn't know what I was talking about and was told that the guy who looked after the Landrover stuff would call me back ASAP. In every instance I have not received a return call at all. Not my idea of good service.:mad:
ask to speak to MattQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyW
i had the same issue
got my RP03 last week
i got though by emailing and organised it that way
Interestingly, last night at the LROCS meeting the training officer was giving away NOS ARB DII recovery points. Just like the ones pictures above.
I did pick up a set for another member who wasn't present. There were none left after that.
Chances are they are not tested, or rated. BobQuote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Just had a look at the packaging on the recovery points I got last night, they are exactly the same as the ones ones posted by "R2D2"Quote:
Originally Posted by Yerok30
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
The original packaging has a label "Vehicle specific heavy duty tow point" a part number "TP-DiscoII" "ARB Osborne Park WA".
Inside the pack is an ARB leaflet with a list of pack contents (including 1/2" unc x 5 1/2" bolts) and instructions that it wont fit with a standard bumper and not to use a rattle gun.
My guess they are or at least were genuine ARB (engineered) parts.Whether ARB sells its parts without testing the design I have no idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10