ARB (or the local reseller) is refusing to sell the crush cans separately, but they are very quick to offer me a replacement front bar ($1,700.00)!
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ARB (or the local reseller) is refusing to sell the crush cans separately, but they are very quick to offer me a replacement front bar ($1,700.00)!
Update: just called ARB Launceston, and they have ordered the crush cans for me at $95.00 each and $98.00 for a new chrome top bar. They tell me that there is no stock currently of the crush cans, they will advise on an ETA when they know, but can take up to five weeks as they do production in batches.
How very ARB of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by twr7cx
Did you ask for the crush cans or for a fitting kit?
Just the crush cans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
Unfair statement mate..Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
Most ARB Distributors are just that....
In general the ARB Corporate stores are often very professional.
Well the ones in Adelaide, and the Main Plant in Vic are :)
Be that as it may, they're still representatives of ARB as a whole, and seem to be less than interested in people spending money in their stores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
As such, that reflects upon the brand IMHO.
Anyway, less ARB bashing, more crush can replacing :)
Just how hard did you " tap " the fence? The question has to be asked, would a decent Roo strike have the same result? This is the reason recovery points should be bolted behind the crush cans, on the same connection point as the bull bar, and why NO recovery should be attempted using the bull bar as the connection point. :) IMO, Bob
I taped the fence hard enough that I put a slight dent in the bull bar just below the fog light - the fence was concrete anchored in and didn't move at all. Didn't break the fog light though. It only started to compress or crush just the top of the crush cans slightly. Not sure what a decent roo strike would do, as I've never hit one or been in a vehicle that has.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
Regarding the recovery point, it really depends on what type of recovery you are doing. Bear in mind that this is a bull bar that is rated as suitable for a 9,000 pound winch, so obviously it has been tested and rated for being pulled on for recovery purposes... One would assume therefore that recovery points attached would be fine for winching recoveries. Perhaps for snatches where the force is more brutal and less linear in nature they would not be suitable.
I have to be honest Bob, I don't see the connection that you are making though. The crush cans are designed to crush when impacted with force. A recovery is force in the complete opposite direction. So I'm not sure what a decent roo strike has to do with a recovery?
You can't see the forest for the trees. Crush cans move both ways, depending on the direction of force. Do you think a recovery off the bull bar , if , say, using similar force to a frontal impact , would not impact on the can in a similar way, especially considering your explanation as how you "tapped" the fence. Mate, you can not compare the dynamics of a snatch recovery, with a winch recovery. The forces are totally different. BobQuote:
Originally Posted by twr7cx
THIS IS MY EXACT POINT TO YOU IN THE POST ABOVE! You keep using the term recovery generically without distinguishing between the different types, my point to you in the above post is that there are some distinct key differences between a snatch and winch recovery (remembering a winch recovery can be another vehicles winch onto the recovery points on my vehicle, or from my vehicle to a winch block and back attached to my vehicles recovery points). To help you with an analogy, because you seem to like them involving forests and trees, it's like having a garjian tree and a yellowwood, they might be in the forest together but they're very very different!Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
You stated in your post that. I disagree, the bullbar is rated for winching (9,000 pounds), and I see no reason why it therefore cannot be used as a connection point when winching! What I would suggest to you is that you should insert the term 'snatch' in-between 'NO' and 'recovery'.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
I'm struggling to think of an accident scenario where the crush cans will expand outwards. I agree that with enough pull, you could pull them out straight, but the amount of force required to do this is not necessarily equal to the amount of force required to crush them - they may be completely different rates. After all, they were designed to crush inwards at a certain rate in order to activate the vehicles airbags as necessary, but the design also accounts for the fitment of a winch.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
Again, the bull bar is rated for a 9,000 pound winch, so it would be safe to say that it would take a force greater than this to pull them straight (or alternatively it would take a very different kind of force, i.e. something more abrupt or instantaneous rather than the linear increase that a winch does).
As I said earlier, the type of force between an accident, such as my case when I collided with a firmly anchored object that did not bend or move and caused the vehicle to come to a complete stop in place, is drastically different to that of a winching recovery.
In my post above, I stated that I don't believe it would be a good idea to do a snatch recovery using the bullbar as a recovery point, due to the more abrupt force nature of a snatch recovery differing from that of winching, which may possibly be enough to pull the crush cans straight.
My end point as per my post above is that the bar is rated for winching, therefore I believe it would be safe to assume it can be used as a recovery point for winching, but as I have clarified, I believe there is some uncertainty on whether it would be safe to snatch recovery with.