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    V8 fuelling and sparking but no start. HELP PLEASE

    I recently posted in the tech section about my D2 V8 not starting after replacing the auto.
    I'm still no wiser as to why it won't start.
    History.
    Before the auto went it was playing up whilst driving, sometimes the auto would not upshift gears and I had to put the foot down abit harder to get momentum and upshift. Then the auto packed in with no reverse so hence I replaced it.

    After replacement of the auto the engine turns with the starter motor, but after a few seconds it seems to struggle, (only way to describe it is just like a dizzy engine when the timing is out )

    I thought I might have damaged the coil pack whilst dropping the rear of engine to fit the auto top bell housing bolts.
    So off came the plenum to check coil packs and connectors.
    Whilst I had the plenum off I decided to fit a couple of new coil packs and leads as the access was there, but still no starting.
    I recently replaced the crank angle sensor, whilst under neath the Disco and removed old oil gunk from a previous oil leak.
    No starting after this either

    Today I pulled the plugs and they are wet and carboned up black.( this must have been happening before the auto replacement, but it was starting running prior .

    So petrol is getting in. I cleaned the plugs and fitted the lead and cranked the engine and there is spark.

    So I have a situation of fuel getting in and the plugs are sparking, but it's like they are not firing at the correct time in conjunction with the injector, hence the wet plugs.

    I just remembered doing the rear main oil seal whilst I had the auto out.
    So am worried about the flywheel might be causing the bother?
    The fly wheel ring gear allows the crank angle sensor to pick up the tooth count. It can only really be fitted one way around with the grooved channel towards the crank sensor pin, and fitting it to the crank I positive there is a hole that corresponds with the stud on the crank, so it should be impossible to fit it incorrectly or wrong?.

    Question.
    Does the crank sensor actualy have any determination on which cylinder will fire at a particular time? Is it possible to fit it wrongly in regards to position on the crank ? Rave doesn't mention anything it appeared straight forward

    It's got me beaten and I dread having to remove the tranfer and auto again to get to the flywheel.

    Could an ECU cause this I do have a spare I could plug in.
    PS. Forgot to add
    I also replaced the XZY switch when i fitted the auto, I don't know whether it can cause the problem but I might try the old one again and see it it starts. just back ward probing.
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    According to my D2 wiring diagram, passenger compartment fuse 24 (10A) is the first fuse after the ignition switch, then this turns on the ignition relay and fuse 24 (20A) which is the ignition coils fuse. Check for battery voltage at both these fuses with the ignition on. Check that the ignition relay is clicking on with the key.

    As the coils are a waste spark system they fire two cylinders per coil, at opposite TDC's, the flywheel sensor should in theory need only trigger each of the four coils once per revolution. You should be able to use a timing light to determine if no.1 or no.6 cylinder is firing near TDC. You could possibly test probe the coil connections at the ECU, the wires are red and blue in one coax cable, and white/blue stripe and pink/black stripe in the other coax cable.

    And of course you may have just flooded it. Leave the plugs out for 12 hours and refit after cleaning.

    Also, is the MAF plugged in and no rag sucked into it? You never know.

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    thanks Bee utey.
    Maf is definitely connected. I will try a spare known working one tomorrow and test prob as you say.
    It's just strange I drove it to where it stands now and then this problem occured once I fitted another auto.
    As I said above I also replaced the xyz switch when I fitted the auto, but can't imagine it would prevent firing up. It cranks in park and neutral. Will fit the old one just to eliminate it as a cause

    I'll pull all the plugs and give the engine as a spin and see it fit cranks freely. might as well do a compression test while I'm at it and see if any valves are stuck.


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    That does seem really strange. It sounds like it could be edu fault somewhere.

    Do you have any devise for reading errors/fault codes. It would be interesting to see what it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walker View Post
    That does seem really strange. It sounds like it could be edu fault somewhere.

    Do you have any devise for reading errors/fault codes. It would be interesting to see what it says.
    Nanacom doesn't show any faults. The only fault I had was due to me disconnecting the battery to do the work.


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    Did you change the Crank Angle Sensor?If you did it may be a dud. Sit back and run through all the stuff you replaced and refitted, think which bit affects engine and check it. Something has not gone back right or has failed. Dont just replace haphazardly as that could get exxy.

    Cheers Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuy1 View Post
    Did you change the Crank Angle Sensor?If you did it may be a dud. Sit back and run through all the stuff you replaced and refitted, think which bit affects engine and check it. Something has not gone back right or has failed. Dont just replace haphazardly as that could get exxy.

    Cheers Scott
    Hi Scott,The crank angle senor was replaced, new one same situation as old one.
    Yes parts can be exxy, but being a land rover parts supplier does help
    The only thing I replaced before the problem was with a second hand XYZ switch as mine was broken at top where wires enter .So I'll pull that and swap the old one back to eliminate that as a cause.
    cheers, Mario


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    can you reset adaptive values with nanacom for both the box and the engine.shouldn't stop it starting though

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    According to my D2 wiring diagram, passenger compartment fuse 24 (10A) is the first fuse after the ignition switch, then this turns on the ignition relay and fuse 24 (20A) which is the ignition coils fuse. Check for battery voltage at both these fuses with the ignition on. Check that the ignition relay is clicking on with the key.

    stAs the coils are a waste spark system they fire two cylinders per coil, at opposite TDC's, the flywheel sensor should in theory need only trigger each of the four coils once per revolution. You should be able to use a timing light to determine if no.1 or no.6 cylinder is firing near TDC. You could possibly test probe the coil connections at the ECU, the wires are red and blue in one coax cable, and white/blue stripe and pink/black stripe in the other coax cable.

    And of course you may have just flooded it. Leave the plugs out for 12 hours and refit after cleaning.

    Also, is the MAF plugged in and no rag sucked into it? You never know.
    Progress today.
    Maf not the problem, I just tried a known working one, and nada
    I did a compression check.
    Cold figures cranking
    1. 140
    2. 130
    3. 125
    4. 80 (put a1/2 cap of engine oil in and 100, crank with throttle open 110)
    5. 95
    6. 115
    7. 90
    8. 110
    So down on compression on a couple of cylinders,( rings?? maybe due to over fueling petrol sitting on piston rings), but should still start.

    Fuse 23 has SM symbol voltage 0.14volts key on
    Fuse 24 has engine symbol with electic bolt through it .0 volts with key on


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    Quote Originally Posted by lewy View Post
    can you reset adaptive values with nanacom for both the box and the engine.shouldn't stop it starting though
    Hi Lewry, already tried that and also did a learn security with BCM
    cheers, Mario


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