Thread: Ashcroft HD CV shafts and front diff seals - leaking?

Originally Posted by EvilGTV

Mine weren't in the same bag as that, mine were in a translucent blue bag that obviously had a number of seals in it originally, and has an indecipherable website written on it (I can only make out .com).

Not like this blue bag I assume then:

Originally Posted by EvilGTV

The NAK brand is on the seal itself.

Out of the three different batches of seals that I have here, they have the following on them:

Britpart GI 35097 CD/07/13 has the following written under the larger dust lip:

35 65 9/14.6

AllMakes4x4 11 Dec 2013 has the following written under the larger dust lip:

35 65 9/14.6

AllMakes4x4 10 Jul 2014 has the following written under the larger dust lip:

35 65 9/14.6

The only difference that I can see between any of them is between both the AllMakes4x4 brand seals and the Britpart in that the lines moulded into the seal on the outter circumference are faint on the Britpart seal whilst they are sharp and more prominent on the AllMakes4x4 brand seals:



I checked out the Kelpro range of seals during the week but they don't list anything for Discovery 2.


Opened up the drivers side today due to oil leak:












When I fitted the Ashcroft CV kit I replaced the original oil seals - one side was fitted with a genuine Land Rover part supplied by Tilford the Hobart Land Rover dealer and the other side was fitted with a Britpart seal which Britcar claim is the OEM supplier < FTC4822 | OIL SEAL DRIVESHAFT P38 NEW RANGE ROVER | Britpart | Discovery 2 - 1999 to 2004 | Britcar (UK) Ltd >.
Both have failed. The drivers side took a bit longer though. I cannot remember which side was fitted with which seal but it's somewhat irrelevant as both have failed far too quickly.

With the driveshaft out and cleaned up and the new AllMakes4X4 seal (supplied by Ritter) I can feel the point that the internal hole in the seal starts to catch/rub/friction on the collar of the dust shield as it's pushed on. It's visibly clear that there is no clearance between the collar of the shield and the body of the seal:







Whilst my driveshafts are Ashcroft brand the shields are the genuine Land Rover items removed from the original driveshafts - so the problem would likely still be the same if I was using my original shafts.


Whilst looking on the Britcar website I noted that FTC4822 superceeds part number FTC3452 < http://www.brit-car.co.uk/search.php?xSearch=ftc3452 >. I wonder what changes were made and if there is any old stock of FTC3452 available for comparison purposes.

Also found part number 45229006613 for a Eurospare brand.

the original factory fitted seals have BAFHE KOMBI 35-65 9/14.6 CFW3 FTC4822 stamped on them see how they are

i have around 800km now with the rectified shaft and still dry like a bone

That picture doesn't work as it's on a part of TD2BC that requires registration for access (I registered days ago and am still waiting the approval so that I can view the thread at D2BC.co.uk &bull; Login ).


I found the TSB regarding the changeover from FTC 3452 to FTC 4822. It dates back to 30/10/1996 and is in relation to Range Rover (P38A I assume?) owners complaining about oil leaks at the front. So what LR did was make the seal in two parts so that it has the ability to have some movement - that's why the body of the seal is now the two metal parts.
The first page of the TSB is viewable at http://www.jeepolog.com/forums/attac...0&d=1397899310
There's a good description of the change in http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/7-r...il-seals.html:

The revised design mentioned in the TSB is significantly different.
There is the inner ring, which seals to the shaft, the outer ring which seals to the axle tube, and joining them is a thin flexible membrane that allows the shaft and it's snug seal to float about in relation to the tube, all the time maintaining the total oil tightness.

i attached the pic in my last post

Well, the thread on TD2BC < D2BC.co.uk &bull; Login > is certainly an interesting read. It has some great pictures of the measurements of the seals too.

It would seem that the original OEM supplier of LR FTC 4822 was Corteco < Corteco:*Welcome > with their seal 15034858B.
LR have changed suppliers to a Made In India supplier. Britcar claim that Britpart is the OEM supplier now - which seems likely and their packaging is marked OEM.
AllMakes4x4 must be making their own/using a different supplier as their country of origin is GB.
Since LR stopped using Corteco as the supplier, Corteco seem to have stopped manufacturing the seals, so unless you can find NOS of the LR/Corteco seals, your in trouble...

A Corteco seal should be identifiable by text on it saying - "BAFHE KOMBI 35-65 9/14.6 CFW3 FTC4822".

Something isn't right in those images

I may have to tear down the D2 one day and get measuring! In fact, Junior needs the CV boot replaced so may be soon...

I removed the shield from my drivers side axel shaft and look the axel, shield and some of the seals to a local engineering firm. They're making me two new shields with a 1mm small OD. Should be ready in 2/3 days.

Originally Posted by twr7cx

Well, the thread on TD2BC < D2BC.co.uk &bull; Login > is certainly an interesting read. It has some great pictures of the measurements of the seals too.

It would seem that the original OEM supplier of LR FTC 4822 was Corteco < Corteco:*Welcome > with their seal 15034858B.
LR have changed suppliers to a Made In India supplier.

I agree.

Originally Posted by twr7cx

Britcar claim that Britpart is the OEM supplier now - which seems likely and their packaging is marked OEM.

My understanding is that Britpart used to supply the Corteco seals about two years ago - LR was already supplying Indian seals by then. There is a report ( D2BC.co.uk &bull; Login ) saying the Britpart seal has BAFHE COMBI text.

Then i guess Britpart's own stock of Corteco seal run out and they have started supplying Indian made seals. I bet they are from the same factory as the new genuine LR.

Originally Posted by twr7cx

AllMakes4x4 must be making their own/using a different supplier as their country of origin is GB.

I am not 100% sure if Allmakes are honest about the country of origin. Their seals (i have 2 in my stock) look the same as Britpart/new genuine LR. I cannot spot any difference and i looked for over 15min (even with magnifying glass). I believe they came from the same manufacturing line as Britpart/LR.

Originally Posted by twr7cx

Since LR stopped using Corteco as the supplier, Corteco seem to have stopped manufacturing the seals, so unless you can find NOS of the LR/Corteco seals, your in trouble...

A Corteco seal should be identifiable by text on it saying - "BAFHE KOMBI 35-65 9/14.6 CFW3 FTC4822".

Yes, this is true. I tried hard but Corteco made seals are really all gone.