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    Knock Knock?

    who's there? Nah.. I wish

    Will be taking the bus in to see if mechanic can diagnose the knocking sound (fairly recent development I think). Ongoing history of occasional minute coolant loss since before the time of purchase 3yrs ago. (some months no change, other requires 100ml or so top up). Knock audible at startup (no difference if starting cold or starting warm), can't hear it once you get higher rpms, and no performance issues. No water in sump, no overheating. 146xxxkm, oil changes generally every 5000k but we're a 1000 k over that this time. No warning lights. COolant flushed and changed every 12 mo or less. Wouldn't say it sounded like a scrape, it's a knock sound (sounds more substantial than my old crowns tappets used to sound, and I can feel it when I rest my hand on the handbrake if that makes sense). Can't hear it from outside though

    Basic research has come up with a few options;
    Rebuild if required (could use input on possible central vic providers if you have any though we do have rebuild mobs here in Bendigo, so as long as I specified whatever goodies are recommended such as flanged liners, metal dowels, etc)

    JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists — the blog: Should You Rebuild or Replace Your Land Rover V8?

    Other possibilities... cam shaft and main bearings (checked for with a look at the sump oil for metal fragments?)

    Some are recommending checking the oil pressure at 4 specific temperature ranges (though not sure if that was to check Lifters?). And or Oil pump? (covers can be replaced, or gears),

    If I'm lucky manifold gaskets according to a hit on this site from someone else thats had a knocking issue,

    Is there anything I've missed when I reel off possibilities for the mechanic? Or a preferred diagnostic path to eliminate particular options?

    Thank you

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    If you're taking it to a mechanic, the last thing he'll want to hear is internet theories of what it might be.


    Give him some free time with the car & let him diagnose it.








    It might well be in the handbrake...
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    he's had value from your recommendations on this forum before so thought I'd ask. generally I just write them down on a bit of paper, take it in and say right, this is what I've noticed with the car, bit of paper shows a few clues that might mean something to you, ring me when you know something lol.
    Actually input from the forum saved me getting fuel pump unnecessarily replaced too (fuel pump first diagnosis, I posted the result here and was strongly urged to ask mechanic to do a specific couple of tests and though I felt uncomfortable insisting he do so, he did the tests and found fuel pump fine, and narrowed it down to MAF sensor ). So, I'd rather he roll his eyes when I hand over little paper of cheats, than miss a little pearl of wisdom that only someone who's been working on landies for years, might know.
    but thank you, I do understand your point

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    If you're going to go to the length of top hat liners then may as well go 4.6 at the same time, and send the ECU off to Mark Adams for a reprogram while off the rd. You won't know it when it's back.

    I have a two builders here that I trust, one I'd have do liner work and rover V8 build for longevity work. But my rate is $200/hr. Hence he does major machining and advisory on my maths and plans and I assemble (oft under his supervision for more ambitious stuff).

    Other option is see what TR Spares in Adelaide have.

    As for the noise, does it change with RPM? What sort of note is it, lower (knocking) or higher (tapping, like lifter). Deep knocking could be bad (bearing). Handbrake is usually an issue on TD5's.

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    It would probably help if you start the car cold, open the bonnet and listen closely to see if you can get an idea of the general location of the noise. You could be so lucky to just have loose or cracked exhaust manifolds, an easy fix. You could have a cracked drive plate to the automatic transmission, this does often get quieter with revs. Any problems with main engine bearings would also lead to low oil pressure and probably a flickering oil light at hot idle. Bearings also tend to make more noise at higher revs.

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    Couldn't tell you the tone without a comparison (only other I've heard was a recurring tappet problem with my 72 and 74 crowns.. this sounds deeper than that sound). Problem is not the handbrake just I can feel the vibration that accompanies the noise (was just an observation). Disappears with higher RPM (eg as soon as start to drive the sound goes, only hear it coasting at low speeds). The knock itself, when audible.. might be roughly 216 per min (though would vary with revs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    It would probably help if you start the car cold, open the bonnet and listen closely to see if you can get an idea of the general location of the noise. You could be so lucky to just have loose or cracked exhaust manifolds, an easy fix. You could have a cracked drive plate to the automatic transmission, this does often get quieter with revs. Any problems with main engine bearings would also lead to low oil pressure and probably a flickering oil light at hot idle. Bearings also tend to make more noise at higher revs.
    Will start car cold and get my head under the bonnet tomorrow. No oil light issues (though haven't tested oil pressure.... guessing Mechanic will)
    Thankyou

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    From the symptoms you describe, my money is on piston slap. Noise only there on light idle, no oil light so pressure good(!) noise disappears when revved or under load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRover View Post
    From the symptoms you describe, my money is on piston slap. Noise only there on light idle, no oil light so pressure good(!) noise disappears when revved or under load.
    ... ugh.. wonderful...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubagreenie View Post
    and send the ECU off to Mark Adams for a reprogram while off the rd. You won't know it when it's back.
    are you teasing me on purpose???




    and theres a reason its called slap,, 'cos thats the kind of noise it makes,, your description sounds deeper,,
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