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    Td5 autobox remove and refit tips

    My new box from ashcrofts is on the way, so I'm starting to think about the remove and fit stage now. I've had a manual out a few times so I'm confident about some of it, but I've never done an auto. So looking for tips from anyone who has done it.
    I have 4 car ramps to raise up, which just gets me clearance to move the box out from underneath, I have the engine crane to go in from the top, and a good selection of tools and air tools. So no four poster or transmission jack to use.

    I'm thinking of the usual route, so take centre console out and use the crane from inside, I may make up the transfer and or box stand from rave, but I don't know if it will help much.

    I have read rave, so I'm after those tips you get from actually doing it in the back yard

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    Fit the torque converter to the gearbox first, not the flex plate.

    Don't install it with the XYZ switch on, they're expensive and break easily when you smash them into the chassis.
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    As well as the above , take the opportunity to replace transfer input seal , front and rear output seals , use genuine or OEM
    Are you getting a replacement torque converter ? .
    If not it might be worth handing your old one over to a specialist to get checked out and maybe lower stall if your cars performance has been enhanced, double check stack height of converter before fitting.
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    Yea, I planned to check/replace the two prop shaft seals, in my spares box for a while. Ordered an input shaft seal at the time, though i was thinking i should have grabbed an intermediate o ring too, hopefully can get locally if needed.
    New torque converter hd one as part of order, along with pipes and cooler. I already flushed the cooler, so know about taking that out.
    Good call on the xyz switch, i might have thought about leaving on for removal and fit before.

    I haven't decided on whether to split the transfer off underneath or once off and the same for refit. I haven't actually split them before, I normally remove the whole lot for clutch changes.

    I will be getting a crank shaft seal too, figured I may as well while it's accessible.

    Any other stuff on the back of the engine? Is there a welsh plug or anything that would be a target of opportunity?

    What about prefilling the torque converter? I have a d1 sump and p38 dipstick to go on so filling should be a bit less stressful.

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    Hello,
    When I did mine with all the jigging around I did mange to break the crank sensor. I used a trolley jack and took both out together. Also installed TC before reassembly to the correct measurement held in place with home made bracket.
    Ian
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    Watch out for the 'Secret'(not in RAVE) bellhousing bolt. Just to the right (Dvrs) side of the Crank angle sensor.
    Near invisible when on your back or from above.
    Undo the Torque convertor bolts from the Access point at the front of the housing.
    Be sure you have the right TC seal and not a HP 24 jigger.
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    Remove and refit auto and transfer as one. Transfer input seal prone to damage if boxes refitted separately.

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    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/good-oil/1...correctly.html

    stack height is a common problem--
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    Ashcroft have on their website the exact measurement the torque converter needs to be from the bellhousing mating surface. Make sure you look this up and measure it before refit. The dog clutch for the pump and the 2 sets of spines need to be lined up before refitting to the engine. Even though it is more weight it is easier to balance and transfer case and auto front under the chassis mounts so leave them together to remove. You will need another jack to lift the side of the car to drag them out. Don't forget to disconnect all wires including the crank angle sensor, it is only a short wire.

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    OK, everything is now here from Ashcrofts.

    Here was the cost of it all.

    Exchange gearbox bought on ebay for ~$330 to avoid core charge of ~$1070
    Oil cooler and pipes $415
    Gearbox, HD torque convert and HD flex plate ~$2180
    Freight $673 - but see later in the post...


    The actual price I paid at the time was $3400 give or take to Ashcrofts.
    Processing fees on this end for customs etc. was $880, breaking that down:
    $200 quarantine - I'd assume you will pay this
    $130 duty - will vary a bit
    $340 gst - will vary based on price paid converted on day of shipment
    $60 customs entry charge - basically an admin fee
    $150 customs broker - will vary by broker, I didn't shop around I just went for convenience.

    So the price should have been
    $3400 + $880 = $4280, sorry should plus $330 I spent on the exchange box, so $4610.

    However, DHL are tossers and have thrown another random set of fees for $280. I'm disputing this, Ashcrofts got a quote to Adelaide airport and it appears that DHL want to charge for taking from the aircraft to the airport depot. Maybe this was an unforeseen cost and they normally have the box miraculously appear in the depot through the use of magic. I'm a bit annoyed with DHL at the moment....

    So if shipping in, best to get Ashcrofts to lock that shipping cost down tighter with DHL, I don't necessarily mind paying, but if you quote something and screw up, you take the hit. Sorry, I'll stop ranting at DHL.

    My reckoning is that $4890 for the whole lot, ZF were $4000, but that was definitely for only box and std converter, and I doubt that included freight, so it was still cheaper...

    I'm starting the prep to remove the box today, should have it sat by the side of the car tomorrow, then do the transfer case swap over, other random work etc. the following weekend and back in the one after that, maybe earlier. I could do it faster, but I'm not pushed for it to be back on the road and I start a new contract on Monday so not sure how busy I'll be.

    Ashcrofts have been pretty good to deal with, the shipping was a bit woolly, I didn't get much info after it shipped, i.e. tracking number or anything, but everything else was easy, especially considering I sent a random ebay box to them.

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