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    Transmission Temperature

    Recently blew a transmission (return) hose while towing a caravan on the way out of Kalgoorlie. (2001 Disco 2 - TD5 Auto)
    I noticed a cloud of smoke in the rear vision mirror and pulled over straight away to investigate. With everything covered in a layer of oil it didn't take me long to realise that it was trans fluid and that the return hose had blown off at the rubber hose to metal pipe crimp connection. I pushed the hoses back together and tied them in place as a temporary measure to get back to Kal. I did a 'u' turn and started 'gently' heading back to Kal fully expecting that due to the loss of fluid I would feel the trans slipping ... it did not appear to be slipping so I assumed that I still had sufficient fluid for drive.
    Once getting back into Kal (about 5km) I ordered a new set of transmission hoses and replaced them both. Also did a complete fluid drain (removed cooler) and installed new trans filter kit and finally refilling with Nulon Full Synth ATF. After everything was back together I took the vehicle for a test drive and only got about 500m down the road before the hose blew off again. This time it appeared to be due to the quick connect not being fully connected (bloody quick connects!!)
    I once again saw the smoke and this time felt the transmission slipping so I pulled over about 200m further down the road (nowhere to pull off earlier) and after a quick look called RAC and got it put on a tray and taken back to home paddock. Pulled everything out of the front this time...radiator, IC, oil cooler, etc and checked all for any damage.... nothing found so I can only assume that it was a dodgy connection of a quick release coupling. Cleaned up the mess, put everything back together, refilled with another lot of Nulon ATF (expensive stuff ) and took for another test drive. All seemed to be OK although the disco seemed to be down a little on power. Over the next couple of days I noticed that my transmission temperature sensor was indicating a higher running temp...it used to be between 50 - 60C even when towing the van, although I have noticed it as high as 85C once when traveling through Port Augusta with the up and down small hills and traffic lights.
    Now, without the van, it is sitting around 80 - 85C so I'm not sure what is going to happen once I start towing the van. Could the auto be slipping somewhat... generating this extra heat?
    The vehicle has done 268,000km now and up to now I have had no transmission problems (regularly change trans filters and fluids (Nulon)) so I'm wondering, with the age of the transmission, whether I may have caused some serious damage now.
    Battery was disconnected while I took my time doing the repairs, so could it be that the transmission is in the process of re-learing?
    Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

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    85C is quite normal here.. but then we havehigh temperatures in the lowlands. Comparable to Darwin or Port Douglas. When a Discovery or other auto box comes up to our garage at 750m altitude it has a fair climb and will also be that hot.

    You didn't mention the filter. hope you did change it.
    Wish I could post a picture of the one I took out today..all gunged up and the Range with the same box as yours was running really hor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita View Post
    85C is quite normal here.. but then we havehigh temperatures in the lowlands. Comparable to Darwin or Port Douglas. When a Discovery or other auto box comes up to our garage at 750m altitude it has a fair climb and will also be that hot.

    You didn't mention the filter. hope you did change it.
    Wish I could post a picture of the one I took out today..all gunged up and the Range with the same box as yours was running really hor.
    thanks Anita,

    I've found some info on Ashcrofts transmissions site regarding temps and what I have now is regarded as being normal. If this is normal, why have I been running around 25C lower than this for the last few years that I know of What has now changed?
    I think I mentioned about half way through my original post that I had installed a new filter kit.
    Got me a bit concerned as to what will happen when I hook up the 3t van

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    It sounds like the clutches might have started to lose material and clogging something in the trans fluid circuit.
    Check the colour of the fluid and wipe dipstick on a white rag to see if there is anything in it, will look a bit like fine dust.
    If all looks ok check the fluid flow by disconnecting the return line from the coolers and have someone start the engine for 30 seconds, run the return line into a clean bucket and see if there is enough flow. It should come out in a steady stream, if it just dribbles or is in spurts you have a problem.
    If flow seems ok see if you can put say 20-30 psi air pressure into the return fitting on the trans, if the air doesn't go into the trans easily or is restricted you may have a clogged fitting internally.
    Drain the fluid to see if there is any rubbish in the pan, could just look like dust in the fluid and check the filter to see if it is clogged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oka374 View Post
    It sounds like the clutches might have started to lose material and clogging something in the trans fluid circuit.
    Check the colour of the fluid and wipe dipstick on a white rag to see if there is anything in it, will look a bit like fine dust.
    If all looks ok check the fluid flow by disconnecting the return line from the coolers and have someone start the engine for 30 seconds, run the return line into a clean bucket and see if there is enough flow. It should come out in a steady stream, if it just dribbles or is in spurts you have a problem.
    If flow seems ok see if you can put say 20-30 psi air pressure into the return fitting on the trans, if the air doesn't go into the trans easily or is restricted you may have a clogged fitting internally.
    Drain the fluid to see if there is any rubbish in the pan, could just look like dust in the fluid and check the filter to see if it is clogged.
    thanks oka374,
    I'll check all these things tomorrow as its getting a little late now. Hopefully I'm not going to find any residue in the fluid... that's the last thing I need.

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    I fitted a temp guage to my auto after I over hauled it one thing I noticed that the temp started to climb the faster I went this was around 5000 km after the over haul.


    Caused some stress so went through possible causes and this included filter starting to block which after being worked on a possibility and was going to do a oil and filter change around the 5000 km mark anyway once I did this it has been fine with another 10K kms done since then.
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    so , just bits off the new friction plates?
    I wonder how LR handled that?
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    There is a chance you have over heated the torque converter. This happened to me too. Got away with it the first time, stuffed it the second time. Although i did drive it the second time.

    My torque converter was an olive yellow mustard colour when it was removed. I'm pretty sure it was meant to be an orange yellow colour. It might pay to remove the inspection plate (3X 8mm screws if i remember correctly) on the bottom of the bell housing and check the colour of the TC.

    I sincerely hope this is not the case, but is worth checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzman View Post
    There is a chance you have over heated the torque converter. This happened to me too. Got away with it the first time, stuffed it the second time. Although i did drive it the second time.

    My torque converter was an olive yellow mustard colour when it was removed. I'm pretty sure it was meant to be an orange yellow colour. It might pay to remove the inspection plate (3X 8mm screws if i remember correctly) on the bottom of the bell housing and check the colour of the TC.

    I sincerely hope this is not the case, but is worth checking.
    thanks for the suggestion ... I will check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oka374 View Post
    It sounds like the clutches might have started to lose material and clogging something in the trans fluid circuit.
    Check the colour of the fluid and wipe dipstick on a white rag to see if there is anything in it, will look a bit like fine dust.
    If all looks ok check the fluid flow by disconnecting the return line from the coolers and have someone start the engine for 30 seconds, run the return line into a clean bucket and see if there is enough flow. It should come out in a steady stream, if it just dribbles or is in spurts you have a problem.
    If flow seems ok see if you can put say 20-30 psi air pressure into the return fitting on the trans, if the air doesn't go into the trans easily or is restricted you may have a clogged fitting internally.
    Drain the fluid to see if there is any rubbish in the pan, could just look like dust in the fluid and check the filter to see if it is clogged.
    ok... drained fluid again and found no sign of clutch material in the oil. Checked and rinsed out new filter and no sign of anything there either.
    Don't have access to an air compressor to blow out cooler line back to trans so there could be a potential problem there.
    2001 Disco 2 - EU3 TD5 Auto
    (Build Date: 08/01)
    Mods: 2" Lift, HD Springs, Rear Bags,
    ECU upgrade, IC, Silicone Pipes, EGR, De-web,
    Digital EGT, Boost & Trans, 160W Spots,
    12000lb Winch, Icom UHF & Codan NGT HF
    245 75R16 Toyo 'Open Country' M/T's


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