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    What to expect when replacing TD5 head gasket

    2000 TD5 ~300000k

    I have been chasing coolant leaks from hoses for some time now from what I can only assume to be overpressurised coolant system. I have previously replaced top rad hose (due to wicking after less than a year's running) and the expansion tank cap and fixed a leaking fuel cooler.

    This weekend a new thermostat, hoses (genuine parts) and heavy duty bolt clamps installed after the spring clamps started to leak. After my commute today the leak has moved to the radiator inlet. I guess this is weakest point in the system. There is no coolant from the overflow however.

    This has been the only issue. The car doesn't run hot and it hasn't overheated - I have TM 2 Engine Saver and I have my Nanocom on instrument mode at all times (I watch this obsessively now - thanks for that LR!).

    Some other history: AMC head and steel dowels installed at around 220000k by previous owner after coolant hose failure (I have all receipts for this work). It has the 3 dot size head gasket.

    I guess that I (foolishly) thought that the above meant I ought to get a reasonable run out of it if I put in an engine saver and kept an eye on the coolant system. Apparently not it seems.

    My questions are;

    1. How/why has this happened given no plastic dowels or overheating events?

    2. Is it likely that it is just the head gasket?

    3. is the the AMC head reusable/skimmable? Anyone have a similar experience?

    4. Is there any possibility that it could be other things before I commit more money than the damn thing is worth (again!!) to replace the head gasket and/or head?

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    Hi akula,

    After only 80,000 as long as the head was fitted correctly very unlikely to be the gasket.
    AMC heads are very robust and reliable and shouldn't need any work after that amount of K's.
    Check that the steel tube in the expansion tank is not blocked as this may lead to pressure in the cooling system, however the symptoms you describe do usually indicate a head or gasket problem.

    Nick

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    Update

    My mechanic did a combustion gas test today and it came back negative.
    It is still losing coolant past the hose clamps - tighten one and another leaks.

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    Over pressure could be from partial blocking of pipe work somewhere. I remember reading a post somewhere a few months ago about someone who had a length of small diameter hose that had been installed near the expansion tank return inside the coolant hose to restrict the flow and/or allow firmer clamping (a bit hazy on the details) this hose had come loose and slid down inside the coolant hose to restrict the flow.

    Draining and disassembling looking for obstructions could be useful.

    Either that or water pump impeller is deformed/ incorrect part / overspeed (although I can't figure how) and might be worth a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pippin View Post
    Hi akula,

    After only 80,000 as long as the head was fitted correctly very unlikely to be the gasket.
    AMC heads are very robust and reliable and shouldn't need any work after that amount of K's.
    Check that the steel tube in the expansion tank is not blocked as this may lead to pressure in the cooling system, however the symptoms you describe do usually indicate a head or gasket problem.

    Nick
    Coolant flowing Freely through the steel tube in expansion tank as far as I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchRocks View Post
    Over pressure could be from partial blocking of pipe work somewhere. I remember reading a post somewhere a few months ago about someone who had a length of small diameter hose that had been installed near the expansion tank return inside the coolant hose to restrict the flow and/or allow firmer clamping (a bit hazy on the details) this hose had come loose and slid down inside the coolant hose to restrict the flow.

    Draining and disassembling looking for obstructions could be useful.

    Either that or water pump impeller is deformed/ incorrect part / overspeed (although I can't figure how) and might be worth a look.
    I will look for blockages around the expansion tank, the t-piece and the fuel cooler.

    The water pump is not that old and an original part. Is there a way to test it without removing it?

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    If you've got a solid stream coming through the bleeder into the expansion tank ,and you remove the bleeder from the top hose with engine idling and get a stream pushing out then your water pump is ok, what coolant type and what temp is showing on nanocom ( max ) ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discorevy View Post
    If you've got a solid stream coming through the bleeder into the expansion tank ,and you remove the bleeder from the top hose with engine idling and get a stream pushing out then your water pump is ok, what coolant type and what temp is showing on nanocom ( max ) ?.
    I am not sure I follow the method of testing the pump. In my car the expansion tank bleeder is fed by a small (non original) hose that runs of the top of the radiator on passenger side.


    I use green HOAT (as it was in it when I bought it and never got around to flush and revert to OAT).


    When coolant system not leaking:

    88-89c at ~100kmh on undulating terrain

    89-90c in stop and start traffic


    When coolant system leaking coolant:

    89-91c at ~100kmh on undulating terrain

    90-93c in stop and start traffic

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    Revy is referring to the bleed screw in the top hose of the radiator, located between engine outlet (where the Coolant temp sensor is at the front left of the engine) and radiator inlet. When you drain and refill you open this screw and do some expansion tank juggling to make sure there is no air in the system. If you have an engine saver it will be where the sensor wire comes off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchRocks View Post
    Revy is referring to the bleed screw in the top hose of the radiator, located between engine outlet (where the Coolant temp sensor is at the front left of the engine) and radiator inlet. When you drain and refill you open this screw and do some expansion tank juggling to make sure there is no air in the system. If you have an engine saver it will be where the sensor wire comes off.

    Oh right. Yes I get a steady and strong stream of coolant if I take engine saver sensor out when engine running.

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