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    D2a Oil Additives - any experience or advice?

    Hi Folks,

    I'm about to change all of the oils in my R380 manual gearbox, diffs, TC etc as part of a 200k "overhaul service" (which includes things like cleaning and re-greasing window regulator rails...). I'm wondering if anyone has had success or otherwise with the various oil/fluid additives that are available - especially for the gear box and transfer case. At work (bulk fuel transport) we stock a range of additives that we often deliver to country-based earthmoving companies and agricultural customers. Our customers have had a lot of success with these products and we use them in our truck fleet and even in the reduction gearboxes on stationary fuel pumps. Specifically, these are from the Powermaxx range (see pic) distributed in Australia by BlueChem. I'm going to give it a try in my various D2a application and report back but wondering if we can spark up a discussion about oil additives and related products and the triumphs and catastrophes associated with their use! Looking forward to hearing from you and learning a lot!

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    I used to be a great believer in additives until I changed the rear output shaft on my borg Warner transfer.
    i had put Nulon G70 in it and found all the moly coated on the inside of the rear extension housing and the splines so worn they had jammed and needed to be removed with a fbh.
    Such is life.
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    I've used this cost effective maintenance stuff on my prior Pajero and now the D2a. The flush concentrate , aw10 and the diesel additives. The Mitzi had abt 200xxxk on it when I started with additives , she was smoking and sluggish, didn't like to rev out and the back diff was getting noisy. Fixed all that overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamHunter View Post
    I've used this cost effective maintenance stuff on my prior Pajero and now the D2a. The flush concentrate , aw10 and the diesel additives. The Mitzi had abt 200xxxk on it when I started with additives , she was smoking and sluggish, didn't like to rev out and the back diff was getting noisy. Fixed all that overnight.
    Same here. Flushing concentrate has worked in Hilux diesel (2L engine), 323 petrol + others. I've also used flush concentrate to see if it will assist on smoky Briggs and Stratton 4 stroke motors - it does. Reduced the oil consumption right down. Using FTC and Cleanpower in the Triton petrol and Discovery TD5.
    Will get CRD fuel additive when I get a CRD.

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    IMO most all additives are snake oil and not needed if you use a quality lubricant, especially if you've used good lubes that meet the manufacturers specs from new with prescribed oil change intervals.

    This particularly applies to the TD5, which has one of the best oil filtration systems ever fitted to a diesel engine.

    If anyone has analysis data and not anecdotal 'it feels better' to disprove what I've suggested I'm all ears.

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    Rick, I tend to agree, particularly in relation to off the shelf Supercrap products.
    My experience was with a high mileage Mack E7 @ 454 HP, due to be rebuilt. The truck had spent quite some time on (relatively) light duty, single trailer float work. It was slow to start (from cold), down on performance and had bad breath.
    An urgent job saw it pressed into service pulling a quad and dolly, at full weight. In desperation it was dosed with CEM decarbonizer to fulfill the role. It worked so well, the impending rebuild was deemed unnecessary. The fuel additive was then regularly used throughout the fleet.
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    Ian, fuel additives can be a good thing, but in my experience need to be used sparingly.

    Most are really corrosive to engine bearings due to blow by, and you don't know unless doing oil analysis.

    I need to be a little careful and not name names, but I was really surprised when using a diesel additive from one of the majors.
    Two vehicles, one IDI, the other DI and both have elevated lead, tin and copper levels immediately using it.
    The levels dropped back to a normal tend when I stopped, and another brand didn't change things at all.

    I used the second one fairly regularly over 250,000km, and when I popped the head on the Tdi @ 320,000km the pistons and bowls were spotless, you could read every marking/make/number on them.
    That was impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    Ian, fuel additives can be a good thing, but in my experience need to be used sparingly.

    Most are really corrosive to engine bearings due to blow by, and you don't know unless doing oil analysis.

    I need to be a little careful and not name names, ....
    Do you mean sparingly with respect to dosage, or actual usage in term of each fill?
    That is, are you recommending a small amount with every fill, or the stated dosage from the product specs every other fill.

    I once tried a popular name brand diesel additive and felt absolutely no difference at all in terms of performance/economy/smoke from the exhaust.
    In fact I tried a couple of brands after a month of using each for every fill, but separated by a couple of months between each product.

    I have a very slight pall of smoke, which I think is an oiled up intercooler on my Tdi.

    And, I'm assuming the elevated levels of copper zinc and tin were in the resulting oil analysis, implying excessive wear from the bearings?
    This was due to an additive.

    Reason I ask is that I've recently ordered the CEM flush products for oil and coolant for my Tdi.
    Oil gets filthy too quickly for my liking(but expected considering the engine and age of it) and the coolant, well why not, I'm due for a coolant change soon.

    I'm thinking, maybe I should have also ordered the decarboniser stuff too.
    Thinking... thinking .... thinking
    Arthur.

    All these discos are giving me a heart attack!

    '99 D1 300Tdi Auto ( now sold :( )
    '03 D2 Td5 Auto
    '03 D2a Td5 Auto

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