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    D2TD5 auto heavy towing update

    Just come back from a week towing the 3.5T brick around the southwest of WA. Of course we don't have quite the mountains of the east coast, but still found a few reasonable slopes to haul up.

    My D2 has recently been fitted with a 2nd hand alum radiator via DazzaTD5/Aztec 4x4 to replace the standard OEM, and definitely makes an incremental improvement.

    With my mild remap but oversize tyres, I'm realistically limited to between 80 and 90 on the flat in order to keep the EGTs under 600 (usually varies between 450 and 550).

    I had my worst economy ever at 21.43L/100km from Perth to Cranbrook near Mt Barker in hilly country with that terrible wind on the Sunday.

    Next day gently did the Stirling Ranges (gravel) and Porongorup National Parks and then downhill on to Albany averaging 15.43L/100km.

    Albany to Manjimup through the karri forests, including visiting Klonk/Steve in Albany and then Discorevy/Craig in Nirvana resulted in 17.03L/100 km.

    Manjimup to Margaret River to visit family was similarly 17.23L/100 km. Noticed quite a few Discos and the odd Defender in Augusta as we took a quick detour en route. I'm wondering if a certain ex National Park Ranger who lurks on here occasionally has gone more into collecting or maybe servicing/repairing for others in his retirement. Didn't have time to stop and check - next trip.

    About to head off for a weighbridge check, and refuel to gauge the economy for the last section from Margaret River back home up the dual lane Forest Highway (which hopefully will be under the 17L/100 km mark with sitting on 2,500 rpm/85 kmph with little or no wind and ambient temps under 27 degrees.

    I've noticed that once ambient gets over 30, the coolant temp (which for virtually all of the coolish trip sat between 88 and 91) rises a little, similar to my towing experience for the Coral Bay trip last September.

    I have a very good front mounted transmission cooler with over-ride fan, so as an experiment turned on the fan for a while during the last leg. Made no difference to the 60 degrees trans oil reading, so looks like its more likely to be useful in low speed/low range heavy transmission work - if ever needed.

    My newly replaced sensor for the trans cooler temp sits at the back of the pan, and does not protrude much into the oil. Nevertheless, I'm sure it reflects close to actual oil temp, even if with a little time lag. This reinforces my long held view that I'm running too cool and I need a trans cooler restrictor/bypass something like the Derale 25792 to allow the oil to get a little warmer consistent with the advice from Dave at Ashcrofts. I'll need two, one for each car, so seeing as how they are difficult to locate in AU (no stock, so I'm advised) just in case anyone wants to join in a group buy, I'll eventually post something in the appropriate section.
    Cheers Gavin

    EDIT - forgot to mention I always tow in 3rd Sport, plus take off in 1st as suggested by others on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gavinwibrow View Post
    Just come back from a week towing the 3.5T brick around the southwest of WA. Of course we don't have quite the mountains of the east coast, but still found a few reasonable slopes to haul up.

    My D2 has recently been fitted with a 2nd hand alum radiator via DazzaTD5/Aztec 4x4 to replace the standard OEM, and definitely makes an incremental improvement.

    With my mild remap but oversize tyres, I'm realistically limited to between 80 and 90 on the flat in order to keep the EGTs under 600 (usually varies between 450 and 550).

    I had my worst economy ever at 21.43L/100km from Perth to Cranbrook near Mt Barker in hilly country with that terrible wind on the Sunday.

    Next day gently did the Stirling Ranges (gravel) and Porongorup National Parks and then downhill on to Albany averaging 15.43L/100km.

    Albany to Manjimup through the karri forests, including visiting Klonk/Steve in Albany and then Discorevy/Craig in Nirvana resulted in 17.03L/100 km.

    Manjimup to Margaret River to visit family was similarly 17.23L/100 km. Noticed quite a few Discos and the odd Defender in Augusta as we took a quick detour en route. I'm wondering if a certain ex National Park Ranger who lurks on here occasionally has gone more into collecting or maybe servicing/repairing for others in his retirement. Didn't have time to stop and check - next trip.

    About to head off for a weighbridge check, and refuel to gauge the economy for the last section from Margaret River back home up the dual lane Forest Highway (which hopefully will be under the 17L/100 km mark with sitting on 2,500 rpm/85 kmph with little or no wind and ambient temps under 27 degrees.

    I've noticed that once ambient gets over 30, the coolant temp (which for virtually all of the coolish trip sat between 88 and 91) rises a little, similar to my towing experience for the Coral Bay trip last September.

    I have a very good front mounted transmission cooler with over-ride fan, so as an experiment turned on the fan for a while during the last leg. Made no difference to the 60 degrees trans oil reading, so looks like its more likely to be useful in low speed/low range heavy transmission work - if ever needed.

    My newly replaced sensor for the trans cooler temp sits at the back of the pan, and does not protrude much into the oil. Nevertheless, I'm sure it reflects close to actual oil temp, even if with a little time lag. This reinforces my long held view that I'm running too cool and I need a trans cooler restrictor/bypass something like the Derale 25792 to allow the oil to get a little warmer consistent with the advice from Dave at Ashcrofts. I'll need two, one for each car, so seeing as how they are difficult to locate in AU (no stock, so I'm advised) just in case anyone wants to join in a group buy, I'll eventually post something in the appropriate section.
    Cheers Gavin
    Hi Gavin,
    Certain ex National Park Ranger lives just round the corner from me and he has just brought a D2 TD5 which had a head issue. I had a chat with him this morning coincidently. You may have seen my dark grey Disco around.
    Regards
    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pippin View Post
    Hi Gavin,
    Certain ex National Park Ranger lives just round the corner from me and he has just brought a D2 TD5 which had a head issue. I had a chat with him this morning coincidently. You may have seen my dark grey Disco around.
    Regards
    Nick
    Cheers Nick - please give him my best wishes/ regards - we had a bit to do with each other when I worked for CALM and he was also President of the Miscos. Pretty sure that would have been your dark grey D2 then.
    I recall he also has an immaculate RRC 2 door converted to convertible? (in addition to his OKA).
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    Hi Gavin any pics of the Discovery with a caravan attached...I bought a Royal flair ninteen foot tandem caravan a few months ago with a weighed towball weight of 175kilos when loaded and towed it at Easter to luckybay near Kalbarri. MyD2 is a manual and I was able to maintain 95 to 100 on the flats and eighty on most reasonable hills.Big hills I was down to 3rd with engine temp climbing.Nanocom told me 100 on one of the hills but temp mainly stayed around 92.
    fuel economy was bad600kms from a tank max when not towing I regularly get 1000kms.
    I am going to fit a gearbox oil cooler in the near future and update my suspension.
    was good to read your results.
    My TD5 is stock standard with no mods to fuelling at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradtot View Post
    HI am going to fit a gearbox oil cooler in the near future .....
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    The Manuals in Australia have a gearbox oil cooler fitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradtot View Post
    Hi Gavin any pics of the Discovery with a caravan attached...I bought a Royal flair ninteen foot tandem caravan a few months ago with a weighed towball weight of 175kilos when loaded and towed it at Easter to luckybay near Kalbarri. MyD2 is a manual and I was able to maintain 95 to 100 on the flats and eighty on most reasonable hills.Big hills I was down to 3rd with engine temp climbing.Nanocom told me 100 on one of the hills but temp mainly stayed around 92.
    fuel economy was bad600kms from a tank max when not towing I regularly get 1000kms.
    I am going to fit a gearbox oil cooler in the near future and update my suspension.
    was good to read your results.
    My TD5 is stock standard with no mods to fuelling at all.
    Brad😃
    Hi Brad
    Hopefully attached. I think all D2s have a trans cooler? I had fitted a bigger secondary one. I drive off my EGT rather than my coolant temp, and on the trip to Coral Bay last September managed to hit just over 100 coolant/nanocom with EGTs just over 650 - not comfortable Jan!
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    Thats um,, big!
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    I'm glad you said brick, sheez

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    Bloody hell thats a monster.....and a Royal flair..what a coincidence..they are rare as..I bought mine from Sydney site unseen ..just from pics at a dealer via gumtree..I took a risk buying it but am very very pleased with what I got...I will try and post a pic
    My manual don't have a oil cooler for the gearbox..it has a loop of Ali tube that gets a wind blown over it..oil cooler I don't think so..
    Thanks for the Pic..😀
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    IMG_2345.jpgMy Royal flair the day I picked it up and took it home and up at lucky Bay near Kalbarri 😀
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