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    Td5 water pump hose to coolant rail - clearance around coolant hose

    As part of a comprehensive refurb I have gutted the engine bay of all the coolant system components (coolant radiator, hoses, thermostat, coolant rail, water pump etc) and will replace them all with new ones PLUS a new intercooler and an auxillary auto trans cooler with all new pipes and hose. I’m currently pre-planning ahead of starting the re-assembly and was wondering just how congested is the area surrounding water pump hose where it runs between the water pump cover plate and the bottom coolant rail. Eighteen months have passed since pulling it all out and I can’t remember enough to be able to visualise it. Can someone slip under their D2 and eyeball the area and let me know. I’m considering inserting a temp sender adaptor in the water pump coolant hose if it can be done without creating rub points. If it were possible to get a hand in and grasp the pump hose that would give me an idea …..
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    Quote Originally Posted by onebob View Post
    As part of a comprehensive refurb I have gutted the engine bay of all the coolant system components (coolant radiator, hoses, thermostat, coolant rail, water pump etc) and will replace them all with new ones PLUS a new intercooler and an auxillary auto trans cooler with all new pipes and hose. I’m currently pre-planning ahead of starting the re-assembly and was wondering just how congested is the area surrounding water pump hose where it runs between the water pump cover plate and the bottom coolant rail. Eighteen months have passed since pulling it all out and I can’t remember enough to be able to visualise it. Can someone slip under their D2 and eyeball the area and let me know. I’m considering inserting a temp sender adaptor in the water pump coolant hose if it can be done without creating rub points. If it were possible to get a hand in and grasp the pump hose that would give me an idea …..
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    Rob, unsure as to why you want to locate a temp sensor there as this is the 'cold' side of the waterpump. There is enormous amount of room there, it was where I finished installing the Electric Water Pump (EPW) rather than the lower radiator where it caused flow problems. If you were to install a sensor it would not cause a rubbing issue if done with a modicum of care. Here is a shot of the EWP installed (cut the front rail to locate it but you will see the clearance up to the block inlet. But you can see that there is a fair bit of room around the hose without issues

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    But really you should be looking at the top hose from block to the radiator to get the most accurate temp as to overheating issues. This here is the set I have with the Sensor for the EWP and Low Coolant Alarm, but I do not have the down pipe to thermostat. That said, the distance from the down hose to the bleed thread should be sufficient to fit a temp sensor I would suggest. The one supplied with EWP controller actually had a bleed hole but I liked the fact the silicon pipe was raised for bleeding the system.

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    There is a sensor I know that you can screw into the radiator housing and set the probe in from there.

    The temp differences between this reading and Nanocom Read system temp are roughly 5-15C very rarely are they matching as the fluid temp is higher than the block reading.
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    Td5 water pump hose to coolant rail - clearance around coolant hose

    Thank you for the pics and putting yourself out to get them for me. As to why I would want to measure coolant temp before the water pump, it is because now with a new radiator, new thermostat, new water pump and a near new viscous fan coupling it’s the perfect opportunity to set things up so I can observe in real time, under various conditions how the coolant temperature is managed from Radiator temp gradient thru to the blending function of the thermostat and it’s effect on moderating the circulating coolant temperature - and in addition also having the temp sensor before the water pump will allow me to see engine entry coolant temps when the thermostat is fully open and bypass is closed. The learnings from this will inform my upcoming thermofan installation. Currently I can see engine exit coolant temp via my Hawkeye diagnostic tool and cylinder head temp via my Engine Watchdog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onebob View Post
    Currently I can see engine exit coolant temp via my Hawkeye diagnostic tool and cylinder head temp via my Engine Watchdog.
    Interested in what differential you will get between the two.

    As noted the discrepancy between the Nanocom coolant outlet temp at the block and the sensor in pipe fluid temp is anything up to 15C (and has been more) with the Nanocom always lower - the initial install of the EWP with flow rates disrupted being the exception, the in pipe sensor temp was lower initially.

    As a case in point, did some revving up to 4000rpm in the driveway after a drive as I am trying to get this boost issue with VNT sorted, this was the only time that the two measurements were matching with the Nanocom showing 99-100 and the Log file showing the same readings.

    Other readings from the drive log show 70-80's C on the Nanocom Log whilst the EWPC was showing me the fluid temps as being 80's to mid 90's C (THERMOSTAT set at 86C) and the fan coming on at 92C and even maintaining 96C at one stage with the EWPC alarm coming on, which it does 10C above set temp.

    Therefore if you were to 'in pipe' sensor pre block it will be more nashi versus granny smith, not quite a accurate comparison.

    The actual thermostat which operates on real fluid temp not the sensor block temp only opens fully and blocking the return pipe down from the upper hose at about 96C so whilst I have an internal cringe at the temps shown the EWPC as they approach low 90's, they are well well under operating parameters of the TD5. Until I get the VNT working properly will not be accurately able to gauge the effectiveness of my electric cooling system.

    Be interested in what others with in fluid sensors are getting and if they have compared against Nanocom readings on the go!
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