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Thread: Advice? TD5 Manual towing OB Jayco Swan

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    i tow a boat at the same weight as your load (1.5-1.7t) with a full load in the back of the car (about another 250-300kg) and i lose about 70-100k's per tank compared to normal...

    towing a car transporter the other day (Landyandy saw some of my haul) with a stack of timber on probably getting up for 2.5 to 3t and it didnt feel any different to the boat... it is chipped mildly tho..

    the auto at least allows the engine to get into its power range by allowing the engine to rev to about 2500 - 3000 rpm whereas a manual doing that would end up smelling of cooked clutch!

    the sports mode thing works, cant remember where i read it but it basically reacts to gear changes a bit quicker... so changes down earlier and up later if im on a big hill starting with the boat on in heavy traffic i'll chuck it in sports mode and off we go... can always keep up with the flow of the traffic too..!

    boss has a td5 manual and says its a bit lame for pulling boats out of the water due to the peak torque being quite high, he is comparing against a 75series 4.2td landcruiser tho.. which having driven one i'd say the peak torque is lots lower (they dont like being revv'd and back pain higher! )

    Thanks

    Steve

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    The ultimate towing gearbox would be an Auto with a Compushift unit to manually control gear selection and lock ups at speed - Compushift Controller Kit | HGM Automotive Electronics - works on ZF4HP24, dunno about 22EH.

    I don't like the fact that in 4th lockup at 100 km/h it struggles - a bit more manual control here (like 4th unlocked) would help.

    But when I've got the Kubo on board, its wonderful to just sink the foot rather than have to think about what I'm doing.



    Very handy info!!

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    After reading Brad m I towed the last two pulls ,one 470k and the other 490k and put the girl into sports mode started off in 3erd and then into drive, put on the cruse and just let the computer do the job. Well it spent alot of time in 3erd and reving arround 3m but the fuel usage averaged 15.3 and 15.4 per 100k. A good saving, so over 10000 k thats 200ltrs of fuel.So when i drive back to Townsville from Perth i think this will be the driving option
    Cheers Steve.

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    I tow a 1500kg pop-top with a TD5 auto. I have tried towing in sports mode 4th but found that the transmission spends too much time unlocked, which I think may lead to more heat being generated by the slipping torque converter. In normal 4th the trans seems to hang on too long before changing down, at which point the accelerator is almost flat to the floor. That's a lot of torque going through an overdrive gear. I now tow in 3rd at 85-90 km/hr and find it a lot less stressful for both me and the car. Under most conditions I can now click the CC on and sit back without having to constantly watch for and manually change down for every slight uphill gradient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenF10 View Post
    I tow a 1500kg pop-top with a TD5 auto. I have tried towing in sports mode 4th but found that the transmission spends too much time unlocked, which I think may lead to more heat being generated by the slipping torque converter. In normal 4th the trans seems to hang on too long before changing down, at which point the accelerator is almost flat to the floor. That's a lot of torque going through an overdrive gear. I now tow in 3rd at 85-90 km/hr and find it a lot less stressful for both me and the car. Under most conditions I can now click the CC on and sit back without having to constantly watch for and manually change down for every slight uphill gradient.


    I also tow a 1500 kg pop-top with a Td5 auto. I have tried towing in sports mode and found that it's all revs and nothing much else.

    What most people seem to be missing is the 'momentum' theory. I do not understand why people sit on 85-90 km/hr labouring away when they can easily sit on 100-110 km/hr. This creates LESS stress on your vehicle and possibly uses less fuel as well. Not to mention the road block of your slow pace compared to other traffic.

    If I do come to a uphill gradient I just pull it down into 3rd and take it from there.

    As with most vehicles there is a little sweet spot that when everthing is cruising and effortless thats when you have it in the right position.

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    Hi Geoff,
    I haven't driven a td5 auto so can't compare but we went around oz last year in our 03 d2 td5 manual towing a jayco eagle and it towed brilliantly. Wife, 3 kids fully loaded car incl roof, and towing about 1200kg and was getting over 800km out of a tank ( 11-12 l/100km) sitting on 100km/h, 5th gear all the way. Its a pretty flat country and you can drive for hours without having to change gear.

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    Hi Folks, well its me again and I see some more info but the best news is I purchased a 2000 TD5 Auto today and its at home sitting next to my old D1. There was not much choosing in the second hand market in Brisbane and I managed to find a one owner with full log books and untouched road drive machine. First impression is a hoot. So this arvo was crawling all over it looking to place the brake controller, find the CDL bit, and searching for accessories. Given its my second I think I am allowed but the wife, well she just looks at me even more with that mature look. Anyway, can't wait to hook up the camper and given it a test run before a bigger trip later in the year.

    This would have to be the best web site I have ever been part of as the information is everywhere.

    I'll keep you all posted and follow up with pics of what I end up modifying.

    Geoff

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