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If you want more power,torque and better economy you can always chip the V8 as well:) A nice sounding exhaust will always help too.Ive always been a V8 man myself.Just dont like the sound of the diesel motors.Sound like a Kenworth.:wasntme: The only reason i would get a diesel would be for the range in the outback.But since im not going into the outback its a V8 for me all the way.:D:D
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Originally Posted by SPROVER
That's exactly why I have pointed out twice... that it really depends what the vehicle is being used for.
I love the sound of a V8 too , that's exactly why I bought my first Discovery as a V8.... but the way I use mine Diesel makes far more sense than LPG.
And as far as :burnrubber:goes... there is no question at all, since chipping it has far more go than my V8 AND I get 75% further on every tank around town!
Love the V8 noise... but I'd rather have the go and the economy.
but that's just me..
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Originally Posted by ozscott
And many are chipping the D3 as well...
What an un-substantiated statement :p
"I reckon if the V8s were any good they'd fit larger exhausts, bigger cats and have them mapped better in the first place" :angel:
Like ALL Landrover engines, they are (TD5s) tuned with a mapping suited to the lowest quality fuels available.
There is plenty of margin in a TD5 for strength over the V8 lump.
And chipping a V8 is like Dry Humping... Its ok, but just isnt quite right!
The only way to make V8s grunt is Cam, Compression, Porting and then remapping...
And I have no bias - I love the V8 sound etc.. I have always had a V8 until I got into the last 2 Landies...
But I also love the sound of a Turbo Diesel singing down an open pipe at full noise! Now thats a thing of beauty...:D
I have heard the first diesels they did were far worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camo
That sound like good advice from Mark - they cant be totally unbiased if they are selling that system...shop around no rush.
Cheers
Tombie's comments...can anyone else see the problem of 2.5 litres and 5 cylinders lugging well over 2 tonn of vehicle and people and gear and pulling 2-3.5 tonn....does any other manufacturer think its acceptable to build a diesel doing that sort of work with that small a CC to start off life with?
I would like to hear from people who have chipped their TD5 and have racked up 300,000 on their CHIPPED (so dont count un chipped, relatively unstressed miles pls) miles especially towing....
Cheers
PS. I dont understand the comment about larger cats etc for the V8 because most people dont chip them whereas many people chip their TD5 which makes me think people conclude that their TD's are wanting.:p
This is starting to sound like the Ford vs Holden debate. Some people will just never change from what ever their preference is, V8 or diesel.
The only landsrovers I have ever had have been diesel 300Tdi and Td5. I did not buy a land rover to go fast, if I wanted that I would have got a sedan.
I certainly would be very cautious about advice from a company that fits LPG, I think most would know that they are not going to advise against LPG.
Look and test drive a few. Have you ever been into the NT, WA and SA outback? If you had I don't think that you would be asking what vehicle to get.
oh,, I see,,
if you have been to these places you JUST KNOW which to buy,,
have I got that right?
so,, we are heading down the ol'e "A Landrover's not a proper landrover unless its a diesel" doctrine,, because ONLY a diesel can go to these places.
I was laughed at by my brother for buying a V8, whilst he kept his 300tdi in 2002.
I told him to do the maths I had done before buying:
1. The V8 had done 82 000km the two diesels in the yard in comparable condition had done 130 000 and 150 000km.
2. The V8 was for sale for $23 000, the diesels for $33 000 and $31 500 respectively.
3. By buying the V8 I was already $8 500 in front, plus interest on the loan.
4. In those days conversion to gas cost me $500 after the Govt's contribution; ($8000 in front)
5. Where I live diesolene has always been more expensive than PULP. It would have taken me about 2 years to recover the cost of the fuel, if I had purchased the diesel, as I don't do many kms a year.
6. Using LPG for long trips has saved me so much in fuel costs that the diesel option never really was an option.
Everyone's needs and uses are different, so do some simple calculations if money is an issue. I would love to have a diesel as much as I love the V8 but the running costs; purchase price; distance driven per annum; suitability for use etc. all have a bearing on whether a car is a good buy or not,
Cheers Charlie
I guess you could draw a comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozscott
TD5 2.75t at GVM with 2.5 litre engine = 1100kg per litre.
Semi trailer 51t at GVM with 16 litre engine = 3188kg per litre.
B double 70t at GVM with 16 litre engine = 4312kg per litre.
Road Train 100t at GVM with 16 litre engine = 6250kg per litre.
I don't think the vehicle weight is an issue for the engine size. Cat, Detroit, Cummins etc have been making engines that load at up 6x more in comparison to their capacity without drama and these engines live a lot longer (but are used differently).
Also, people chip the TD5's because you can get a heap of power out of them for little cost. The V8's dont really respond well to chipping - same or more money for not much.