Thread: Mercedes G-Wagon LAPV 6.X concept

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

How quickly they forget!

In WWII, troops in armoured vehicles were being injured and killed inside non-welded armoured vehicles. Not by the ordinance directed at them but by the rivet and bolt heads becoming projectiles inside the vehicle when the fastener failed.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same"

yeah Im sure they are building these with the same materials, specs and construction type as those WWII vehicles.....

Originally Posted by uninformed

yeah Im sure they are building these with the same materials, specs and construction type as those WWII vehicles.....

I don't care what space aged materials they are using to armour the vehicle. Ballistics remain the same. I don't care that the WWII tank was riveted with cast iron rivets and grade 8 bolts and the Mercedes is assembeld with carbon ceramics and kevlar.

If the grade 8 bolts, or titanium bolts or whatever bolts or rivets they are held together with, fail, they will fail producing a projectile travelling at high velocity.

So be it a kevlar, carbon ceramic, or titanium projectile it will kill the same as if it were a cast iron rivet head.

BTW: why do you think the Perenties in Afghanistan have rag tyres (cross ply) instead of steel belted tyres? Answer because the kevlar or steel belts become projectiles instead of disintegrating when hit by IED

Windscreens on the bushmasters are bolted on, boxes on the side, remote weapons station on the top, windows on the side. not one soldier has been killed while inside them. injuries are mainly from concussion. most vehicles are fitted with spall lining inside, over there. The humvees have some boilt on armour, i cant coment on that....

geck

Originally Posted by geckos

Windscreens on the bushmasters are bolted on, boxes on the side, <snip>

Bolting may be O.K. depending on what is at the other side of the bolt. If it's a nut on the inside then that has a potential to become a projectile. However if the bolt is threaded into a structural part of the body then the only potential projectile is on the outside.

The toolboxes and fuel tanks on the outside are sacrificial, the bolts etc are unlikely to penetrate inside.

On the G-Wagen LAPV-7.X the body behind the armour (particularly the doors) does not look anything other than the standard frames. Once again if the external bolts have nuts etc on the inside they may be a risk.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you want light (or heavy) armour protection of a troop carrier, then the vehicle should be built like that from scratch, not just some add on stuff to a regular unarmoured vehicle, particularly if the armour is bolt on bits.

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Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

Thales Australia concept "Hawlei" being trailed for light armour relacment of the 110 here

I think that is Hawkei

Originally Posted by Chucaro

This concept features Mog chassis & diffs underneath G engines & bodywork.





Mercedes-Benz Daimler at Eurosatory 2010 Actros 4151 AK 8x8 recovery truck FGA 14.5 chassis LAPV 6.X*-*Army Recognition

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I don't care what space aged materials they are using to armour the vehicle. Ballistics remain the same. I don't care that the WWII tank was riveted with cast iron rivets and grade 8 bolts and the Mercedes is assembeld with carbon ceramics and kevlar.

If the grade 8 bolts, or titanium bolts or whatever bolts or rivets they are held together with, fail, they will fail producing a projectile travelling at high velocity.

So be it a kevlar, carbon ceramic, or titanium projectile it will kill the same as if it were a cast iron rivet head.

BTW: why do you think the Perenties in Afghanistan have rag tyres (cross ply) instead of steel belted tyres? Answer because the kevlar or steel belts become projectiles instead of disintegrating when hit by IED

think about this: steel winch cable when under tension will store that energy and if the cable fails it releases that energy rather quickly.......why does not plasma winch rope do this???? its doing the same thing.....????

Yes it does matter what material they use and the specifics of every little design detail...so comparing something from 65 years ago while worth the mention may not prove scientfic

Originally Posted by Chucaro

As soon as they are in the Trading Post for $ 3000 I will get one

I'm thinkng 2050, give or take a few years....