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  1. 30th October 2012, 10:17 PM #91
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    Hi All,

    I was wondering about a few things as I read through these posts. I'm no expert on either vehicle but have had a lot to do with military aquisitions.......as in trying to sell them stuff....LOL. Admittedly mainly Aviation and Battlefield Simulation products.

    It's been quite a while (a decade or so) since the ADF started getting gun-shy (pardon the pun) due to developmental products....Collins Class, Vigilare, HFMP, ARH....ETC, ETC. A couple of RFT terms that seem to be hitting the street of late are COTS and MOTS...that's Commercial Off The Shelf and Military Off The Shelf. In other words the ADF is trying very hard to buy stuff that is available right now and proven, either in a commercial or military capacity. It's basically low risk to cost, performance and schedule.

    I wasn't sure if it would apply to vehicles and I wasn't 100% sure if MB already had a fleet of modular variants that could be supplied with no or minimal tweeking. I'm gonna guess that LR may have actually struggled to meet this COTS/MOTS requirement for all the different variants.

    JUDDY just posted a blurb....line 12 I think, that may have answered my question on this requirement...."Other features in the off-the-shelf military vehicle, which is used by more than 60 armies worldwide".

    Apart from Deefers being low tech and old in design (not saying it's a bad thing), that one line may have instantly put LR out of the race. Did LR have a more modern, modular product line that was ready to start production for a new customer?

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    I like the way that the word better has become synonymous with easier.....

    sounds like the precursor to "down to a cost, not up to a standard"
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    Quote Originally Posted by newhue View Post
    Juddy where did you get this pic from,
    Looks like the driver can only shoot over the bonnet and hopes the car really is unbreakable. Better still, how does the door open.

    Would it be left hand drive ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    I like the way that the word better has become synonymous with easier.....

    sounds like the precursor to "down to a cost, not up to a standard"
    Isn't down to a cost the new Government way. There is no money to spend anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George130 View Post
    Isn't down to a cost the new Government way. There is no money to spend anymore.
    I'm not sure it's ever been any other way. Just cause most of the stuff the military gets is expensive doesn't always mean it was the best stuff or the best option.

    Should add, the D-makers often ask for more than they can afford and often screw up when the carving knife has to come out.

    There is often a disconnect from what the end user (read - Warfighter) needs/wants and what his government/senior officers buy.
    Generally speaking of course....oops...pun!!!
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    ate of a mate heard from his mate there is a button, which if not pressed before fording probably won't cause any problems...

    No a major who is part of the acquisitions trials team and also an officer at work who is also in the pilbara regt confirmed the above not a mate of a mate actually.
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    Link to a magazine write up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugu80 View Post
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    Electric windows! Have they gone nuts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manic View Post
    Electric windows! Have they gone nuts?
    No, it's just further evidence that the Defenderati have NFI what the market really wants from a 4x4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffTrack View Post
    No, it's just further evidence that the Defenderati have NFI what the market really wants from a 4x4.
    perhaps you are right - I didnt realise the military really wanted electric windows
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