VW caught by the Yanks for breaking emission laws

Capitalist delusion - I can buy more new stuff and be environmentally friendly.

Best example I observed recently...
A sporting company who manufacturer their shoes using a "green" process.
Yet their shoes rarely last beyond 9-12 months of average use...
Want to be green? Use green processes which produce a long lasting product.

But that won't happen because sales and margins will fall...


Government emissions targets are driving engine complexity to ridiculous lengths while "consumer power" demand is driving ever increasing power outputs.

The reality is so unpalatable to the public that few will embrace what is required to be truly green....

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Capitalist delusion - I can buy more new stuff and be environmentally friendly.

Best example I observed recently...
A sporting company who manufacturer their shoes using a "green" process.

Yet their shoes rarely last beyond 9-12 months of average use...

Want to be green? Use green processes which produce a long lasting product.

But that won't happen because sales and margins will fall...

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Once again. spot on.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Assuming you mean the raid - see Volkswagen: German prosecutors raid VW headquarters over emissions cheating scandal - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

As to reduction in power and economy - well VW were not removing/reducing emission control off for road use in a fraudulent way for the fun of it...polution control throttles power and economy.

Cheers

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So you can drive along in your vehicle and tell when the pollution gear is doing it's thing and when it isn't?,how much performance is lost?,how much extra fuel will the motor use?.I haven't as yet seen one piece of evidence to back up any claims made,just a lot of BS.As for the raid,nothing but the authorities showboating. Pat

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Capitalist delusion - I can buy more new stuff and be environmentally friendly.

Best example I observed recently...
A sporting company who manufacturer their shoes using a "green" process.
Yet their shoes rarely last beyond 9-12 months of average use...
Want to be green? Use green processes which produce a long lasting product.

But that won't happen because sales and margins will fall...


Government emissions targets are driving engine complexity to ridiculous lengths while "consumer power" demand is driving ever increasing power outputs.

The reality is so unpalatable to the public that few will embrace what is required to be truly green....

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Steady up Tombie,this is the internet age,you can't contaminate a discussion with facts :p. Pat

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Originally Posted by scarry

Then why do they say 100,000 vehicles are affected here?

Did the vehicles not fail any tests here,but they admit the emissions figures supplied are incorrect?

So they have supplied the wrong figures for all these vehicles?

Maybe many VW owners and their legal representatives are hoping for some $$.

VW seem to be taking things pretty seriously,admitting they are in the wrong,and are saying they have budgeted $10B for rectification to the effected vehicles.

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It's not that they don't pass the emission requirements of the rest of the world. It's just that they lied. Even the lie is dubious. They say it passes. Does it really matter if they lie how much it passes by?

Last week a number of vehicles were rigged up with emission monitoring equipment and driven around London streets,a motorway and in the country,these were normal road cars driven on normal roads by normal people,guess which make gave the lowest levels of emissions?,no prize for guessing the correct answer;). Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Last week a number of vehicles were rigged up with emission monitoring equipment and driven around London streets,a motorway and in the country,these were normal road cars driven on normal roads by normal people,guess which make gave the lowest levels of emissions?,no prize for guessing the correct answer;). Pat

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Lada diesel truck? :D

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Last week a number of vehicles were rigged up with emission monitoring equipment and driven around London streets,a motorway and in the country,these were normal road cars driven on normal roads by normal people,guess which make gave the lowest levels of emissions?,no prize for guessing the correct answer;). Pat

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Keen to read the story. Do you have a link?

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Originally Posted by PAT303

So you can drive along in your vehicle and tell when the pollution gear is doing it's thing and when it isn't?,how much performance is lost?,how much extra fuel will the motor use?.I haven't as yet seen one piece of evidence to back up any claims made,just a lot of BS.As for the raid,nothing but the authorities showboating. Pat

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if you've ever driven the early toyota coasters yes you can. I've been told but never personally driven one, that it was similar with the early patrols with the same kind of tech on them once the engines were up to operating temperature the power cut back and when they were doing a DPF burn it was even worse. And if it didnt think it did the DPF burn correctly then it stuck into limp home mode and you had, to quote one owner, "About as much power as fozzy."

The logic I was quoted was that while the engine was in warm up there was no requirement for it to pass emissions as the emissions tests were specified for the engine at normal operating temperature.

Tombie I agree. I have saved more trees by keeping my 95 D1 and 02 D2 (so 33 years of motoring between them) on the road than buying multiple clean cars in the meantime.

Cheers