Thread: VW caught by the Yanks for breaking emission laws

US has much more strict emissions laws than Europe. Had been the case for the last 30 years. Europe had only introduced emissions rules in last 10 years and then only on limited number of pollutants. Only now talking about particles and NO which were ignored before as they made diesels difficult to do.

Looks like they were dicking around with the EGR valve, maybe only active when Obdii port in use.
Who would disable EGR

500,000 * $37,500 = ouch, maybe go to jail do not collect $200

And then a class action by owners no doubt

some of the early fly by wire Toyota Van have a end of assembly test method. If you remove the cabin light fuse the air conditioning turns off after it has got down to thermostat temp. It also does some other things as part of the test. this was modified in latter models.


Australian emission test is a bag test done in a dyno. part of the emission requirement I was told when doing warranty work for a holden dealer was that the emission level had to pass after 80 000Km of normal service. so a car would have to be driven without modification before type testing.


Friends that worked building engines for emission test have told me the test engines had to be 20% better than the standard to cover production variability. When my mates bag tested P76 V8 it passed ULP levels easy.My 1984 skyline passed new car 2002 level with 160 000Km.

Originally Posted by Eevo

the real world pollution is minimal given that VW's are always on the side on the road broken down.

What a load of bull****! I've owned a Passat, my son had a Polo Tdi and my partner has a Polo Tsi. He's also owned other VW's. NONE of these have EVER broken down....... EVER.

Ill informed comments are just inflammatory rubbish.

Originally Posted by wardy1

What a load of bull****! I've owned a Passat, my son had a Polo Tdi and my partner has a Polo Tsi. He's also owned other VW's. NONE of these have EVER broken down....... EVER.

Ill informed comments are just inflammatory rubbish.

got one!

Is UK based however think it would apply. Worked for a national dealer group that sold Vw, Ford and Vauxhall. When was looking over some numbers noticed that the warranty claim work for VW was much higher for VW than the other Two. Questioned the numbers as VW are more reliable. Was informed that if I cared to look back would see this was normal. Kept an eye on it and it never changed.

Was explained to me as being like this. VW came out with the Mk1 golf and it astounded the buying public as it was the only European car of the time that would start reliably each morning. They then worked off this reputation with consistent advertising ever since to say a VW was reliable. Media and public wee told the story so many times it became urban truth.

Ford or Vauxhall customer came in ranting that product was rubbish and demanding it be fixed. VW customer came in saying not sure if it was an issue or not but could you look at this for me. Did not tell the VW customer we had 10 more with same problem out the back which no one had any idea how to fix.

A further example was that the VW brand in the US sits somewhere below the Korean in the public perceptions. This also being due to Golfs regularly winning the lemon of the year award. US market has much higher expectations on reliability than Europe where this is called character. Dealers who will take on the brand tends to be the poorer ones who do nothing to help the brand position.

That said I currently have a VW that has done 185k miles.

Originally Posted by Eevo

got one!

About 90 kg, fighting strongly

Maybe when they're plugged into an obd reader it changes the map slightly.

I strongly suspect that is happening on the new 3.2 Rangers. Each time the egr valve opens there's a puff of smoke, and likewise if the throttle is stabbed also. I've seen this on quite a few Rangers now.

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