Basic model G-Wagon for sale in Australia? I've just seen this at my MB dealer...

**Zeros** · 15th September 2017, 07:04 AM

Has anyone seen a G Prossional Wagon in the flesh yet?

I was curious and happened to go past a dealer, so dropped in. Apparently demand is already so high there are no demos without a deposit. ...sounded like a line to me and the dealer had that funny look they all get when they're spinning it 😂

**Mercguy** · 18th September 2017, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Zeros

Has anyone seen a G Prossional Wagon in the flesh yet?

I was curious and happened to go past a dealer, so dropped in. Apparently demand is already so high there are no demos without a deposit. ...sounded like a line to me and the dealer had that funny look they all get when they're spinning it 😂

Absolute bollocks. There is plenty of stock.

Find another dealer who's less than full of sh to deal with.

**Zeros** · 18th September 2017, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mercguy

Absolute bollocks. There is plenty of stock.

Find another dealer who's less than full of sh to deal with.

Maybe. But not one G Professional Wagon on Car Sales yet either.

**Mercguy** · 18th September 2017, 03:54 PM

LIke all new vehicles, there are logistical issues with distribution to certain key dealers and there is also an issue of 'dealer status' within MB Aust political ranking.... just like JLA.

You'll have to go looking and no they are not all advertised on carsales. - and there will be no "demo" stock available on MBau certified or preowned - it's way too early for a demo to have the necessary minimum km on them to offload.

**Zeros** · 18th September 2017, 04:04 PM

...not absolute bollocks then.

**Mercguy** · 19th September 2017, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zeros

...not absolute bollocks then.

Perhaps you misunderstood.

There are no demonstrator vehicles for sale.

The 461's haven't yet been shipped to every dealer who has requested them - it's on a priority basis (dealer internal politics).

There are demonstrator vehicles available to test drive at certain dealers.

Any 461 you wish to buy right now will be MBaust retained stock, on a valid purchase order.

i.e. if you're test driving a w461, there are vehicles available. But THOSE demonstrator vehicles are not for sale yet. If you want to buy one, you're buying NEW from retained stock (new) and not dealer demo stock.

It's really straightforward.

**Zeros** · 19th September 2017, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Mercguy

Perhaps you misunderstood.

There are no demonstrator vehicles for sale.

The 461's haven't yet been shipped to every dealer who has requested them - it's on a priority basis (dealer internal politics).

There are demonstrator vehicles available to test drive at certain dealers.

Any 461 you wish to buy right now will be MBaust retained stock, on a valid purchase order.

i.e. if you're test driving a w461, there are vehicles available. But THOSE demonstrator vehicles are not for sale yet. If you want to buy one, you're buying NEW from retained stock (new) and not dealer demo stock.

It's really straightforward.

Yup, that's what the dealer told me. So it wasn't spin at after all. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh when they hit the ground.

Cheers

**Mercguy** · 19th September 2017, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Zeros

Has anyone seen a G Prossional Wagon in the flesh yet?

I was curious and happened to go past a dealer, so dropped in. Apparently demand is already so high there are no demos without a deposit. ...sounded like a line to me and the dealer had that funny look they all get when they're spinning it 😂

If this is indeed what the sales agent said, then it's an outright lie. You can have a test drive of ANY vehicle on the forecourt without placing a deposit - and if this is indeed what he said, then you should find another dealer - care to name the dealership and sales agent? I'd be quite happy to make a couple of calls...

**Zeros** · 19th September 2017, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mercguy

If this is indeed what the sales agent said, then it's an outright lie. You can have a test drive of ANY vehicle on the forecourt without placing a deposit - and if this is indeed what he said, then you should find another dealer - care to name the dealership and sales agent? I'd be quite happy to make a couple of calls...

Isn't this what you're saying here? "Any 461 you wish to buy right now will be MBaust retained stock, on a valid purchase order."

I won't be naming any dealer...But he said, they don't have a demo G Professional Wagon, and he didn't know when they'll be getting one. If I wanted to see one here I would need to pay a deposit (valid purchase order). I said, you might struggle to sell one sight unseen. He said, you'd be surprised. I said, thanks anyway. (...not that I was about to purchase one, I was just curious about looking at one in the flesh).

Thanks anyway Mercguy. Cheers

**Mercguy** · 19th September 2017, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Zeros

Isn't this what you're saying here? "Any 461 you wish to buy right now will be MBaust retained stock, on a valid purchase order."

I won't be naming any dealer...But he said, they don't have a demo G Professional Wagon, and he didn't know when they'll be getting one. If I wanted to see one here I would need to pay a deposit (valid purchase order). I said, you might struggle to sell one sight unseen. He said, you'd be surprised. I said, thanks anyway. (...not that I was about to purchase one, I was just curious about looking at one in the flesh).

Thanks anyway Mercguy. Cheers

Not quite exactly what I was saying- there are a lot of complex and political to-and-fro's to get a pre-launch stock allocation onto the forecourt. The dealer you are speaking to doesn't have enough 'cache' with mbau to get one this time around.

Some of those pre-launch vehicles will have a 'gag order' placed on them (display only not for sale until xx-yy-zzzz) simply because MBau expect demand to outstrip supply - supply is limited and they want top $ profit for them. As soon as the stock gets a demonstration plate on it, then the price premium goes out the window and you're buying a used vehicle... and someone in the market for a 461 right now, is a new car buyer, not a used car buyer..... MB know this, and this is why supply is being restricted more than it normally would be.

Yes, he's right - there is limited available stock right now. Dealers will want a confirmed deposit so they don't have one sitting in their showroom for the next 2 years... It's very slow moving product. Also, MB au may also be asking for confirmed sales order, before they release stock to the dealer, to prevent any one particular dealer having a monopoly on the limited first round supply.
Also it's not a familiar product to the sales guys... Theyre used to selling upscale AMG Gwagens with every option under the sun in them, and these new 461's are like selling a vito alongside an s class and trying to convince the buyer they are exactly the same car underneath (even though they aren't exactly the same, they are the same basic vehicle) while demanding a price premium based on the 'rugged' sales pitch.

But, in the same sentence, I was over at Peter Warren the other day and the 461 ute was there, doing nothing and noone interested in selling it..... it just happens that I'm in the market for a new shopping trolley...

I mentioned it and the sales guy dismissed it as if I wasn't the kind of person who would want one...... how presumptive... and misguided.

This is why I have no time for dealer sales BS.

The 461 is basic like a defender, it's not a luxury barge like the 463 is. they come from opposite ends of the spectrum. It's the fundamental mechanical specification and differences that are the big change. the engine can run on the ****test fuel known to man, the drivetrain is about as brutish as it can get and the interior is a hose-out special complete with drain plugs in the floor.

Basic. more basic than a 76 series, but better built.
More like comparing a perentie to a defender, than comparing a disco to a rangie... if that makes sense.

Yes, they are worth looking at - if you like looking at defenders...

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