As to the journal article,sorry the researchers even admit there's too many variables,they used probabilistic outcomes blah blah.They would have their outcome cut to pieces under even modest scrutiny.
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As to the journal article,sorry the researchers even admit there's too many variables,they used probabilistic outcomes blah blah.They would have their outcome cut to pieces under even modest scrutiny.
If there's going to be bureaucratic led witch hunts for everyone whose product supposedly caused a premature death, what about the fag producers then? Or alcoholic drink people?
Those 2 products have caused far more deaths than probably any other product ever without that being proved by dodgy statistics. 59 deaths in the US !!!!! Well bugger me there's over 300 million of them left so the figure is virtually meaningless.
AlanH.
is the issue whether or not their product is harmful?
Surely the more important issue is their dishonesty. They were deliberately trying to hide the truth.
In the same way that it seems to be that when politicians do something wrong, any attempt to cover up is regarded as a more serious issue that the actual offence. Lying to Parliament is even more serious.
Volkswagen's dishonesty falls into a similar category.
Tanaka lied about their faulty airbags that have killed people,they not getting dragged over the coals because of it. Pat
well Pat, actually they are.
The company is basically stuffed now.
and so they should be.
I think we're all forgetting something here... VW as a group is not to blame.. Some numpty who decided it would be alright to make software to adjust the emissions when test equipment is connected is to blame. There would have been a chain of 'management' who knew and were involved, but 99% of the manufacturing workforce, sales and service teams would have no idea. So, tearing 'VW' to shreads probably isn't the best approach, because doing so might just put an awful lot of people out of a job! Yup, its wrong, yup, it shouldn't have happened, yup someone needs their backside kicked, and thats probably happening. There are bigger issues in the world.. China and its pollution, India and its pollution, all the fighting between religeous numptys. Add to that the fact that 50% of the big old lazy diesels here and in Europe pump out all sorts of rubbish (petrols included) and go largely unchecked, America and the muppet that's currently 'running' it is a huge worry. So really, in the grand scheme of things VW's little 'oops' is a fart in a swimming pool. :)
Management knew about it to a high level. Those who didn't know, should have known and were obviously incompetent.
I have been a director of non-profit companies and I took my responsibilities seriously enough to ask questions about things management wanted to cover up. In one case that helped to uncover that $180,000 in spending was unaccounted for. That's very small beer in the scheme of things, but it is an example of how it should work work.
The managers in VW who knew and covered it up should be sacked for fraud and the directors who should have known should be sacked for incompetence.
Lying has badly damaged VW's reputation. They should have taken responsibility and resigned, rather than waiting to be found out.
Mick,I've argued with you in the past about this,none of the vehicles,be it petrol or diesel have ever past emissions tests or economy tests because the whole testing criteria is a load of rubbish.VW found a loop hole and exploited it,nothing more. Pat
Their fine for knowingly supplying faulty airbags was US 25 million,not much for causing the biggest recall in vehicle history,the fine for their seat belt recall cost them a staggering US $50,000,yes fifty thousand dollars.They paid off the courts last year to the tune of 1 Billion dollars in exchange for closing the case,no more convictions,pay outs,compensation etc,they wiped their hands of it.It puts VW's manipulation of a fake emission test into perspective doesn't it?. PatQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift
It's even funnier reading peoples concerns about pollution on this forum when better than half of all the post Tdi Land Rovers on here have had the pollution equipment either bypassed or disabled. PatQuote:
Originally Posted by Sitec