Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by Halfsize

Seen a few recently , on the road they look more like a Defender than a Defender does [bigsmile]

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Wait till someone does a "defender bonnet kit" with a replacement defender style bonnet. That will be tough then.

Good review by Sam who has owned classic defenders.

"Expensive for a utility vehicle".

Once they have delivered the ones they have orders for I really do think they'll struggle. I spoke to the dealer last week and said "sorry.. it's too expensive for me now". He kinda nodded and said he thought they had gone too hard with the price rises. Yup. They had had like three price rises before the first cars were even here...

I ran through my specs again the other week. Trialmaster in white with basically the only options being a bull bar and sliders was nudging 140k. So it's easy to see how you would get to 150k. IMHO if they had kept to their initial prices which was basically a small premium over a 76 series they would have sold in plausibly tens of thousands.

Apparently there are a number of cars available from cancelled orders in stock. I reckon by mid next year it's going to be interesting. Will they be able to get by with tiny volumes or will they reduce prices?


https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/202...n-first-drive/

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Originally Posted by Halfsize

Seen a few recently , on the road they look more like a Defender than a Defender does [bigsmile]

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Two "Defenders" were spotted by my passenger who is my early wave warning assistant with the exclamation "Land Rover" .....they were being delivered on a tilt tray. I was able to correct her as the rear tail lights were a dead give away!

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I ran through my specs again the other week. Trialmaster in white with basically the only options being a bull bar and sliders was nudging 140k. So it's easy to see how you would get to 150k. IMHO if they had kept to their initial prices which was basically a small premium over a 76 series they would have sold in plausibly tens of thousands. [/URL]

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I doubt it,European vehicles have never sold well here,the mines,fleet,and Govt markets would have been extremely difficult to penetrate.

With the new 70 series models,they have huge competition,better payload,tried and tested,great reputation for reliability,more accessories available than probably most vehicles on the planet,dealers all over the place,and on it goes.

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Originally Posted by one_iota

T the rear tail lights were a dead give away!

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Why? Do defenders have their tail lights on the front?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I bought a BMW MINI in 2002 and it should have had "PROTOTYPE" written on it because that was what it was. From brand new it was just a continual procession of failures. Often they would replace parts that hadn't been fixed and then they would fail too. Lots of stupid design issues, production issues etc. The thing is with that car was they would fix some things, and come up with new parts which would remedy the faults. But it just never stopped. I owned it for four years and new faults just kept coming. And some things they just never fixed.

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This was the Holden approach - let the owners be part of the development team.

..... around the inner North over the last few weeks, so there are a few now in the hands of owners.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Why? Do defenders have their tail lights on the front?

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We were travelling in the same direction as the Defender pretenders and they were ahead of us....imagine that! Most would be fooled. [bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

This was the Holden approach - let the owners be part of the development team.

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Land Rover has also been doing that for 70 + yrs.

But what they didn't do is listen to their customers,big mistake.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Land Rover has also been doing that for 70 + yrs.

But what they didn't do is listen to their customers,big mistake.

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When I worked for Thiess that was the story told.