Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

[QUOTE=loanrangie;3258850]When the Cadogon videos on the subject first showed up in my YT feed i thought here we go, 1 vehicle from a manufacturer that wasn't making vehicles 5 years ago ****s itself and its all doom and gloom. Yet multiple LC300 V6's have lunched themselves from a manufacturer that had 15 years to develop the current land crab and no one bats an eyelid.
Glad to see
his approach on the latest video.[/QU
I saw the original video of John Canney and mostly took it at face value except the time line between the water crossing and the vehicle stopping . After watching the video the only fault I could see was that ineos failed to communicate adequately .I am not a fan of John Cadogon but I give him credit for a well balanced presentation . However this has not stopped the desk top mechanics and haters complaining among other things about the time taken for the process and lack of parts . I would consider the time about normal considering what we know about the circumstances . I speak with a bit of experience about this as when I was working in the Kimberly a company hilux drowned its self at a flooded causeway as I was watching , the car had less than 20 000 ks and had to be trucked back to Perth for repairs and took 4 to 5 weeks without any insurance company being involved .

Originally Posted by loanrangie

Yet multiple LC300 V6's have lunched themselves from a manufacturer that had 15 years to develop the current land crab and no one bats an eyelid.
Glad to see his approach on the latest video.

In relation to the very few that have failed,particularly compared to the number sold,they were plastered over social media as well.

Eventually the truth did come out,and most if not all were highly modded and tuned,some with GCM upgrades,chassis extensions, and dragging around over 8T.

Just like the recent Ineos issue,the manufacturer had every right to walk away.

Originally Posted by scarry

In relation to the very few that have failed,particularly compared to the number sold,they were plastered over social media as well.

Eventually the truth did come out,and most if not all were highly modded and tuned,some with GCM upgrades,chassis extensions, and dragging around over 8T.

Just like the recent Ineos issue,the manufacturer had every right to walk away.

Toyota recalled a quarter of a million of them in the US. Not the LC, obviously, but the Tundra and two Lexus models with the same engine. Not modified, and some of the broken ones had only done 10,000 miles, Paul. It's a PR disaster for your favourite maker over there. And to rub salt in the buying public's wounds, Toyota refuses to recall the hybrid ones, as the electric engine can get them safely off the highway when the V6 breaks. Which it does.

The recall documents make extremely interesting reading. And, no, they cannot walk away from this one. there is no question it's a manufacturing fault. Toyota admit as much, and they are going to have to extend the recall past the 2024 models, as 2025 cars are failing as well. Time to admit they ain't perfect.

Originally Posted by Tins

Toyota recalled a quarter of a million of them in the US. Not the LC, obviously, but the Tundra and two Lexus models with the same engine. Not modified, and some of the broken ones had only done 10,000 miles, Paul. It's a PR disaster for your favourite maker over there. And to rub salt in the buying public's wounds, Toyota refuses to recall the hybrid ones, as the electric engine can get them safely off the highway when the V6 breaks. Which it does.

The recall documents make extremely interesting reading. And, no, they cannot walk away from this one. there is no question it's a manufacturing fault. Toyota admit as much, and they are going to have to extend the recall past the 2024 models, as 2025 cars are failing as well. Time to admit they ain't perfect.

That is the Petrol engine,at least they admitted there was an issue eventually.....unlike some other manufacturers.

No manufacturer is perfect,that is for sure,some just have more issues than others.
Have a look at which manufacturers have the most recalls,relative to the volume of vehicles they sell world wide.
Last time i looked,Merc and Ford were well ahead of the rest,but things may have changed lately.

i still recon that Toyota engine issue, doesn't beat the Ford,your favourite manufacturer,with the wet belt saga that went on for decades all over the world mainly in the UK and the US.
In the UK they ignored the issue, although hundreds of thousands of owners were screaming,over a period of 10 yrs,until the issue was noted in parliament.
And the dealers were charging customers for new engines when the belts failed long before they were scheduled to be replaced,and the vehicles were serviced correctly and on time by the dealers.

Edit: The more vehicles a brand sells,the more chance of an issue.Then when an issue does appear,more vehicles will be affected.
That is just life for the big Auto manufacturers whoever they are.

IIRC Cadogan still rates Toyota, Lexus, Subaru, (they are a conglomerate now), in his Top 10 brands to buy in Australia. I don't think Ford makes it even though his "inner bogan" would love to love the Ranger. Others in his Top 10 from memory were Mazda, Mitsubishi (he bought one), BMW, Kia/Hyundai/Genesis and MG. I don't think JLR made it into the top half of the 54 brands available as he views them as the British Jeep and Chrysler!

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

IIRC Cadogan still rates Toyota, Lexus, Subaru, (they are a conglomerate now), in his Top 10 brands to buy in Australia. I don't think Ford makes it even though his "inner bogan" would love to love the Ranger. Others in his Top 10 from memory were Mazda, Mitsubishi (he bought one), BMW, Kia/Hyundai/Genesis and MG. I don't think JLR made it into the top half of the 54 brands available as he views them as the British Jeep and Chrysler!

He has always said the Japs and Koreans are top of his list.
Not that i disagree,but one has to remember he also has his own business selling vehicles.

Originally Posted by scarry

He has always said the Japs and Koreans are top of his list.
Not that i disagree,but one has to remember he also has his own business selling vehicles.

Yes, his business does get people deals are new cars and novated leases, however John does say that even if after listening to all of his advice if you still want a crap car, he'll get you one. IIRC he doesn't deal with Merc and Honda due to their fixed price policy, so no room for negotiation. Also not sure if it is still the case but a while back he wouldn't get people a JLR as they were too difficult to deal with warranty wise and quotes Brophy vs Land Rover...When life gives you lemons… Applicant awarded landmark sum in VCAT Proceedings for faulty Range Rover - Lexology

To get back on track I think he doesn't rank Ineos as too low volume sold.

Originally Posted by Tins

They'll need to sell a whole lot more Mach-E Mustangs than they do now to offset it. But nobody wants those.

That's the idea of it. The mach E would probably sell ok if they weren't 10-40k more than the current bench marks. And I believe they have already cut the price massively.

This is a mistake manufacturers make. Price things too high at launch and everyone forgets about them.

At any rate, it's going to take more than one non competitive EV to dig them out of this mess.