Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

**scarry** · 12th December 2021, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mules

My principle reservation up front is my perception of cargo space - it's not as deep as in a 110, unsurprisingly as the vehicle is shorter. But, it is also wider so perhaps it's better than on first glimpse. I'd put it in between a 110 and a G-wagon. Access is fantastic with the rear door set-up

Thats good,a touring wagon needs a well sized cargo area.

Unlike the New Defender,smallish cargo area,and smallish door for access.
One reason,of many, that crossed it off our list when looking to replace the D4.

**chuck** · 12th December 2021, 12:05 PM

Mules

Thanks for the write up.

Great to have someone write up the detail particularly with knowledge of the cars we (Aulorians) may be coming from.

Registered my interest for the twin cab today.

Thanks again, much appreciated

**Mules** · 12th December 2021, 03:56 PM

Thanks gents,

Much appreciated & glad it was useful.

Hoges I watched those same videos as well, that chap is asking the right questions and is a Tdi die hard - I wish I had poked underneath a bit more. I agree, it would be interesting to know what specifically he is referring to.

Removable crossmember for straightforward gearbox removal is one example of thinking ahead. I have this mod on my Defender, but this is not common in vehicles. My 80 series' clutch was replaced recently and I was wondering why on earth they had to take the seats and trim out!

Chuck - pleased to hear. I'm torn between a wagon and the dual-cab. Would be great to see both side-by-side, but that may be some time yet...

May you all see one in the flesh soon!

Mules

**Mules** · 12th December 2021, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Sadly my drive day has been delayed in account of travel restrictions according to Ineos.

Have to wait until the new year.

Tombie,

Thought you didn't like the 'soul-less clone' and hoped it would fail?

Might be karma....

**econti** · 12th December 2021, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mules

Chuck - pleased to hear. I'm torn between a wagon and the dual-cab. Would be great to see both side-by-side, but that may be some time yet...

Guys there said dual cab should be delivered mid 2023. I have seen a picture of a development one so they will hopefully have a press release soon.

@everyone interested - there is a great Facebook group with Ineos employees in it, lots of good discussion. Ineos Grenadier Owners Australia.

**Tombie** · 12th December 2021, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mules

Tombie,

Thought you didn't like the 'soul-less clone' and hoped it would fail?

Might be karma....

I’m disappointed they cloned it so closely and unnecessarily.

Still won’t stop my taking it for a spin.

I drive the new models of pretty much all 4x4s to check them out and see what’s what.

It’s one of the key reasons I don’t have a D5.

As for Karma - no such beast. Government red tape is the only reason.

**Mules** · 12th December 2021, 07:35 PM

No of course it won't stop you mate, your happy to bag it out for the past 4 years, but if the shoe fits right?

You do you, just feel free not to take everyone else along for the ride.

Originally Posted by Tombie

I’m disappointed they cloned it so closely and unnecessarily.

Still won’t stop my taking it for a spin.

I drive the new models of pretty much all 4x4s to check them out and see what’s what.

It’s one of the key reasons I don’t have a D5.

As for Karma - no such beast. Government red tape is the only reason.

**econti** · 13th December 2021, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

I’m disappointed they cloned it so closely and unnecessarily.

What, cause the guy liked Defenders and then they stopped making them any more?
Could also say it's a G wagon clone, closer to the truth since it had a 6 cylinder option.

If the Grenadier had been made since the 1940s, and then LR made the Defender starting in 2022, you'd likely be upset that they were "copying".
It's just a car

**Tombie** · 13th December 2021, 10:13 AM

Is it just? Damn and I thought this was an enthusiast board.

And yes, if it had gone the other way I’d be equally disappointed in such a close clone.

Regardless I still will be driving it to see how it goes, what it rides like, how it behaves etc.

**101RRS** · 13th December 2021, 10:25 AM

If LR had decide to update the old Defender and bring it into the 21st century, the result would been similar to what is being done with Ineos. But this the exception of the runout years Defender sales were bad so there was little financial incentive.

Lots of support for Ineos from people on this forum who drove around (and still do) in early 90s Defenders that were bought second hand then and are/were too tight to upgrade to a new traditional style Defender and they will not buy a new Ineos despite their praises.

To those early adopters who have put money down on a vehicle that is not even in production - well good on you, that is your choice - at least you have the courage of your convictions.

I expect the Ineos will go into production and be sold here in G wagen territory with similar sales - it will suffer the LR issue of poor regional support and will always just be a niche brand. Old traditional Defender drivers are unlikely to buy but those who bought a runnout Puma may upgrade.

Garry

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