Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

The website price only included GST, but excluded any other taxes that may be applicable. So I would suggest it was already showing the price without LCT included.

Once you go through to make a purchase (place $5k deposit) it calculated LCT and included in the total.

It no longer does this -> approx. 10k reduction now showing on same configuration versus previous

Good news indeed.

With a GVM of 3,550kg, it has been classed as a Medium Goods Vehicle. So no ANCAP testing required.

LCT exemption cuts price of Ineos Grenadier | GoAuto

As the owner of a very capable D2, I had been looking for a long time for a replacement. Modern LR, no thanks, tyre profiles are useless, too many useless gadgets. Modern Toyota, well the 79’s came to mind, they are dependable and can carry a load, but that’s where it ends. Up springs the IG, solid axles and coils all round, just like the Disco 2 - only more modern. Yep that’s my baby, no BS, just a modern vehicle with the bare minimum to get it compliant. Lockers, coils, solid axles, minimum electronics, a solid drive train, and designed to be modified.

When my BFG K2’s wear out I will put some 33’s on it, maybe even a 2” lift as well. Won’t even need an engineering cert. Am going the B58 petrol, not as complex as the B57 diesel, doesn’t have the range, but that is where a long range tank or jerry cans come into the mix.

The machine is built with quality components in a modern factory. However, I know I am still some what of a guinea pig.

LR said they needed the big rims to fit in the big brakes, however IG with a GVM of 3,550 kg can brake with 17” rims - and still be able to tow 3,450 kg at its max GVM.

Let’s face it, the modern LR is a city car, trying to be country.

Originally Posted by Freightdog

As the owner of a very capable D2, I had been looking for a long time for a replacement. Modern LR, no thanks, tyre profiles are useless, too many useless gadgets. Modern Toyota, well the 79’s came to mind, they are dependable and can carry a load, but that’s where it ends. Up springs the IG, solid axles and coils all round, just like the Disco 2 - only more modern. Yep that’s my baby, no BS, just a modern vehicle with the bare minimum to get it compliant. Lockers, coils, solid axles, minimum electronics, a solid drive train, and designed to be modified.

When my BFG K2’s wear out I will put some 33’s on it, maybe even a 2” lift as well. Won’t even need an engineering cert. Am going the B58 petrol, not as complex as the B57 diesel, doesn’t have the range, but that is where a long range tank or jerry cans come into the mix.

The machine is built with quality components in a modern factory. However, I know I am still some what of a guinea pig.

LR said they needed the big rims to fit in the big brakes, however IG with a GVM of 3,550 kg can brake with 17” rims - and still be able to tow 3,450 kg at its max GVM.

Let’s face it, the modern LR is a city car, trying to be country.

Agreed with a lot of points here. Interested that you went Petrol, perhaps because the price of diesel is so much more these days? Im thinking that with electric cars gradually phasing in, petrol will be less popular and perhaps cheaper or maybe more expensive. Could go either way. Diesel will be around for a long time as to replace the heavy vehicle fleet even if the technology was worked out (which it isn't) would take at least 10 to 15 years. Outback travel is almost only Diesel as many remote places don't have petrol. But it depends on what you want to use your vehicle for.

Love the concept of the Grenadier but its not going to be the ultimate 4wd as it was first touted as. Especially the fact that the live axle configuration is wasted when you have short arms that wont allow much more flex than a independent suspension set up. Also the body is way to low on the frame and the approach and departure angles are nothing to brag about. However despite these shortcomings I have ordered one despite really not being able to afford it. Heart overrules head. I think they will be a massive hit and the price will go north reflecting on the fact that they are going to be a low volume niche manufacturer. Maybe (but I could be wrong!) this will be the only chance to bag one for an introductory price. A gamble , sure.

its hard not to hijack a thread, rather than start a new one.

on the subject of petrol/diesel , diesel hasn't been fuel of choice for very long. I was a remote areas diesel fitter in the NT until 1978. Up until I left for a career change , nearly all vehicles in the Dept of Constructions fleet were petrol engines except for trucks over about 3 ton.

it was the same when I joined the army and its fleet until perentie and unimog was almost entirely petrol so diesel has really only had about 30yrs of use. petrol has always been available out bush as I have been doing my trips into the deserts for about that long and most of my associates have had petrol 4wds, 80's , 100's , 200's and now y62's. And those vehicles performed admirably some times fairing better than the insurgent diesel varieties , particularly where power to weight made a difference eg Simpson.

I think if I was buying a Grenadier I would opt for a petrol model.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

its hard not to hijack a thread, rather than start a new one.

on the subject of petrol/diesel , diesel hasn't been fuel of choice for very long. I was a remote areas diesel fitter in the NT until 1978. Up until I left for a career change , nearly all vehicles in the Dept of Constructions fleet were petrol engines except for trucks over about 3 ton.

it was the same when I joined the army and its fleet until perentie and unimog was almost entirely petrol so diesel has really only had about 30yrs of use. petrol has always been available out bush as I have been doing my trips into the deserts for about that long and most of my associates have had petrol 4wds, 80's , 100's , 200's and now y62's. And those vehicles performed admirably some times fairing better than the insurgent diesel varieties , particularly where power to weight made a difference eg Simpson.

I think if I was buying a Grenadier I would opt for a petrol model.

I'll assist you with your Hijack :-)
SWMBO has a 1983 Jeep 1 tonner, having driven it I can well understand why diesel was not the primary choice for transport unless there was a particular need for the ability to haul heavy loads frugally. It gets about 13 -15l per 100KM regardless of the load applied. This was about the time that turbos started making light duty diesels more tolerable from a performance perspective given that the turbo version of the SD33 engine was fitted to the MQ patrols. On the other side of the ledger a mate and I drove a petrol MQ patrol to Cooktown and back in 1984 and used $2500.00 worth of fuel at 40 cents a litre, we got an average of about 23 litres/100KM. Those figures made the choice of diesel a much more attractive option at that time even with the pedestrian performance of a naturally aspirated diesel.

Moving forward the gains are much less obvious with modern vehicles, when we bought SWMBOs 2011 Wrangler we did the calculations on petrol vs diesel. The diesel engine was about a $6K option and we worked out that we would need to cover in excess of 500,000KM in order to recoup the price difference in fuel savings. I suspect that in most cases the choice between petrol and diesel in an Ineos is much more reliant on personal preference than economic considerations.

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Tote

Very interesting that the Petrol is the same price as the Diesel

Have not seen that before in a modern 4X4.

There is a school of thought that the divide between petrol and diesel may remain

The logic being that petrol cars may be somewhat replaced by electric cars & diesel will remain around longer for heavy transport or heavy machinery operation.

For example the diesel defender is way more expensive than the petrol + with the nearly 40 cents a litre divide between petrol & diesel then the diesel loses its cost benefit.