Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

for the next twenty years or so, Landrovers and Rangerovers were the only profitable products of the Leyland conglomerate, with any improvements hamstrung by the need for profits to prop up Leyland. As the ties loosened with the collapse of most of Leyland, Rover (now changing to Landrover) again sought the market that had saved the company in 1930, Rangerover having moved up market, by introducing the Discovery, which was successful in "saving the company" for another twenty years. But now after being shifted from Leyland to BMW to Ford to Tata, it effectively lost the utility market that they arguably never wanted, despite dominating it successfully and profitably for over forty years (a bit less in Australia).

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In this brief history tour I miss the involvement of Honda with rover in the 90's (started in the 80's even?) I have always wondered what would/could have happened to landrover specifically if that marriage was more successful and Honda would have put their japanese tech and quality into a defender or range rover. I am pretty sure some damn reliable cars would have been produced, still rolling around today.

Alas, that was not to be and ineos had to be born so many years later. Here is hoping that indeed the ineos will live up to its promises and it shortcomings may be dealt with swiftly...

-P

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Originally Posted by prelude

In this brief history tour I miss the involvement of Honda with rover in the 90's (started in the 80's even?) I have always wondered what would/could have happened to landrover specifically if that marriage was more successful and Honda would have put their japanese tech and quality into a defender or range rover. I am pretty sure some damn reliable cars would have been produced, still rolling around today.

Alas, that was not to be and ineos had to be born so many years later. Here is hoping that indeed the ineos will live up to its promises and it shortcomings may be dealt with swiftly...

-P

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As far as i am aware, Honda had no involvement at all with Landrover/Rangerover, which in the period you are talking about remained the one profitable part of Leyland, which was split in 1984 into Austin Rover and Freight Rover (including Land Rover), later renamed to Land Rover, after the truck and bus bit was split off.

They did a bit of rebadging from memorey,see below.
Like many other brands have done over the years
I googled it to check the years,looks like early '90's

'In foreign markets, however, Honda had a different idea: They borrowed the first-generation Land Rover Discovery, changed the badging and sold it as the Honda Crossroad. Yes, you’ve read that right: The Discovery was sold in some places as a Honda. Really. There was a time, in New Zealand and Japan, when you could walk into a Honda dealer and walk out driving a brand-new Land Rover.

Needless to say, we suspect it didn’t offer traditional Honda reliability."

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

As far as i am aware, Honda had no involvement at all with Landrover/Rangerover, which in the period you are talking about remained the one profitable part of Leyland, which was split in 1984 into Austin Rover and Freight Rover (including Land Rover), later renamed to Land Rover, after the truck and bus bit was split off.

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There was some model sharing between Honda and Land Rover but I think that it was simply re-bading.

Honda released the “Honda Crossroad” 1993-1998, which was in fact simply a rebadge Land Rover Discovery 1. It was the first (and possibly only) Honda vehicle (to date) to be sold with a V8 engine…

From memory Rover 800 sedans used Honda engines in the 90’s. And the Rover 200 was a Honda Concerto…

Cheers,
GG

I had a play with the configurator yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to be able to build a Grenadier with everything I wanted for just shy of 100K. That was with diff locks and a leather interior. Looking forward to the release of the dual cab, however that would lead me to a most unpleasant conundrum - sell the 130 to finance a new grenadier or keep it for as long as it still runs, which realistically is as long as I'm prepared to keep rebuilding it......

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by Tote

I had a play with the configurator yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to be able to build a Grenadier with everything I wanted for just shy of 100K. That was with diff locks and a leather interior. Looking forward to the release of the dual cab, however that would lead me to a most unpleasant conundrum - sell the 130 to finance a new grenadier or keep it for as long as it still runs, which realistically is as long as I'm prepared to keep rebuilding it......

Regards,
Tote

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They do say that "Practice makes perfect...."

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Originally Posted by scarry

They did a bit of rebadging from memorey,see below.
Like many other brands have done over the years
I googled it to check the years,looks like early '90's

'In foreign markets, however, Honda had a different idea: They borrowed the first-generation Land Rover Discovery, changed the badging and sold it as the Honda Crossroad. Yes, you’ve read that right: The Discovery was sold in some places as a Honda. Really. There was a time, in New Zealand and Japan, when you could walk into a Honda dealer and walk out driving a brand-new Land Rover.

Needless to say, we suspect it didn’t offer traditional Honda reliability."

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I knew someone who owned a new Rover Quintet in the 90's, which was a re-badged Honda.

He leaked money but the 'Rover' didn't leak oil. Was kinda like the original Accord.

DL

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

As far as i am aware, Honda had no involvement at all with Landrover/Rangerover, which in the period you are talking about remained the one profitable part of Leyland, which was split in 1984 into Austin Rover and Freight Rover (including Land Rover), later renamed to Land Rover, after the truck and bus bit was split off.

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As mentioned by others, indeed there disco 1 was sold as a Honda...
Also, the rover 600 is a honda accord, the rover 400 was a civic, the 200 was indeed a concerto. The 800 was the honda legend, known in the us as the acura rl 3.5. The triumph acclaim i believe? was also honda based. Most of the 90's rovers were more reliable for it. With the exception of the valeo parts [bighmmm]

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Yes, i was aware of the D1 selling as a Honda, but I do not believe there was any technical involvement either way except for badges on Landrover products (as opposed to Rover cars).

So I did a trip in June in our defender. Over to WA and back again from roughly Ularu. Like 3500k of driving. With five people in the car. The smallest of which was the wife at 175. Kids and hangers on are all now north of 180.

I've had a great time with this car. It's occurred to me that I love driving it off road, but the trip to the off road is cracking me. It was horrific being needled in the back through the seat by knees.

I'm eagerly awaiting the Grenadier. I'm in no rush - happy to see how they go for a couple of years but I think I'm running out of options.