Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

**RANDLOVER** · 16th May 2021, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

I wondered that but its a big ask for BMW Centres to train up their people just for a tiny part of the market (the market that isn't theirs)....and while it might share a single diesel with some BMW vehicles the engine bay and accessories will likely be very different and the rest of the vehicle will be poles apart from any BMW products so I can't see such dealers being that interested (can't see it being viable either). Cheers

I think it is viable as there is nothing new under the sun in auto engineering really, and BMW does some trick engines, like the diesel one that has 3 turbos, two small and one big and it series and parallels them depending on the usage. The Grenadier will seem positively agricultural compared to that, and a lot of Indies work on all sorts of cars. I've even got my mech to work on my brother's Opel/Vauxhall/Holden, and he did it as he said it had a similar oil cooler immersed in water in the Vee of the block to a Freelander.

**loanrangie** · 19th May 2021, 09:35 AM

Have to laugh at a new youtube video that said they are taking on Land rover, yeah good one since that vehicle ended 5 years ago.

**gromit** · 19th May 2021, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by loanrangie

Have to laugh at a new youtube video that said they are taking on Land rover, yeah good one since that vehicle ended 5 years ago.

Maybe you haven't noticed, there's a new Land Rover 'Defender'........

I haven't seen the video you're referring to but maybe they meant taking over where Land Rover left off ?
Their success will depend a lot on the price when it's launched here and how they intend to support it.

Colin

**loanrangie** · 20th May 2021, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by gromit

Maybe you haven't noticed, there's a new Land Rover 'Defender'........

I haven't seen the video you're referring to but maybe they meant taking over where Land Rover left off ?
Their success will depend a lot on the price when it's launched here and how they intend to support it.

Colin

completely different class of vehicle.

**ozscott** · 20th May 2021, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by loanrangie

completely different class of vehicle.

Thankfully. Cheers

**Tombie** · 20th May 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by loanrangie

completely different class of vehicle.

Is it though?

Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

**loanrangie** · 20th May 2021, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Is it though?

Has more in common with a 70 series, minus the cart springs,dust buster and uneven track.

**gromit** · 20th May 2021, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by loanrangie

completely different class of vehicle.

The Grenadier is more like the original Defender.

The new Land Rover 'Defender' is very much a different class of vehicle.......

Colin

**Tombie** · 21st May 2021, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by gromit

The Grenadier is more like the original Defender.

The new Land Rover 'Defender' is very much a different class of vehicle.......

Colin

In aesthetics only.

Significantly Higher tech level, different construction method.

It won’t be modifiable just like the new Defender, as it’s not a mechano set (one of the biggest gripes from the old school).

It has to meet global equivalents of ADRs for its era, so will be limited in its modifications - just like the new defender.

It will have all the emissions requirements of current EU so will need all that tech.

It’s a Sheep in Wolfs (deliberately reversed) clothing - it gives the illusion of being something by reflecting a familiar shape.

**gromit** · 21st May 2021, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

In aesthetics only.

Significantly Higher tech level, different construction method.

It won’t be modifiable just like the new Defender, as it’s not a mechano set (one of the biggest gripes from the old school).

It has to meet global equivalents of ADRs for its era, so will be limited in its modifications - just like the new defender.

It will have all the emissions requirements of current EU so will need all that tech.

It’s a Sheep in Wolfs (deliberately reversed) clothing - it gives the illusion of being something by reflecting a familiar shape.

I agree with most of your comments.
It's a given that they have to meet ADR's or local equivalents etc.

The old Defender would have been a loss leader for LR because the construction method was so labour intensive. The easily modifiable Defender's end was probably long overdue.

Isn't the new 'Defender' also a Sheep in Wolfs clothing - it gives the illusion of being something by reflecting a familiar shape ?

I think we'll have to wait to see how it compares to the Land Rover offer when/if the Grenadier finally gets into the market.
Land Rover have moved the whole range upmarket (price, image & servicing costs), the Grenadier seems to be aimed lower down but we'll have to wait and see.

Colin

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