Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by 3toes

For the UK market they will need this to meet commercial vehicle requirements. If it does not will be subject to passenger car tax. If that is the case will be unsaleable.

You see a lot of SWB Defenders as they are commercial while the LWB is passenger

I also believe that the UK “hard top” Defenders are considered commercial because of the missing rear seats.

That is part of the requirements. It is more technical than that. Why make it simple ….

Tax people have been fighting a case through the courts here for a few years about vans with or without seats behind the driver.

This case has wider implications across the vehicle fleet not just vans. Was raised as business had moved from passenger car station wagons to vans which reduced the tax take. A wagon was car tax commercial tax is a lot lower flat rate.

They have won the case and people are going to have retrospective tax bills of thousands head their way as car tax is a percentage of income. Manufacturers have altered the vans so new ones meet the revised interpretation of the rules once again keeping them in the commercial vehicle tax class.

Tax office considering what to do next to stop people ‘dodging’ their tax obligations

Originally Posted by Hoges

That's very useful info, thanks Steve.
I'm wondering if the "Utility" version without the 3-person passenger seat might be the first candidate for LCT relief... but as the Jeep rubicon qualifies I'm thinking that the Jeep case was a "private" ruling which may flow to the yet-to-be announced IG dual cab, but not the station wagon, though they might accept the predominantly "cargo" nature of the "Utility" version for LCT relief. In the early specs, the "Utility" version had an optional 3 seat module in the cargo area. That's not in the latest specs -even the UK ones. There was early chatter about the Utility version in the UK being targetted for "Commercial" classification to qualify for UK tax relief. The latest specs seem to support that approach....

I got the feeling that Ineos's submission covers both utility and wagon. As to the Rubicon I didn't think to ask whether it was either the Gladiator or Wangler or both that are exempted.

For Australia at least the 5 seat utility version isn't a starter and looking at the Ineos UK web site it appears to be the same there as well.

Cheers

Steve

quote...APOD (Australian Partners of Defence) have an offer to cover the cost of $1500 of any vehicle accessories for the Grenadier.

I searched this , I'm an Apod member , it covers factory fitted accessories which cant be sighted until vehicle is in full production ....as far as I can ascertain.

Unfortunately , lots of Apod offers are difficult to qualify for....I have tried a few.

Dennis

Thanks Dennis, I've never tried so I'll take your word for it. Sounds about right.

I hope you're wrong though!

Cheers

We had various similar schemes when I was serving - they are great on paper but in reality somewhat less so - if buying something you had to declare you were using the discount and of course greedy sellers just took that into account. You couldn't for example do a deal for a new car and then whip out the Defence Card and get an extra discount - wasn't always the case but often was.

This is not the organisation that runs these schemes fault, just how they work in practice.

I have read that the Grenadier will feature aluminium doors and bonnet to help reduce weight. Funny that last incarnation of the old Defender went in the other direction and replaced the aluminium doors and bonnet with ones made from steel. Just an observation, nothing to be read into it.

Priced up the Grenadier Fieldmaster Edition on their website tonight.

Built a nice vehicle with winch, lockers, snorkel & a few other extras

Car came to $112,640 before on roads
Luxury car tax approximately $13,400
On roads in Vic i.e. rego & stamp duty approximately $8000
So total of $134,000 approximately

If Ineos get the LCT exemption and it is a big if, then approx $120,000 on road

Given their target was originally 70 series Toyota it is a long way off although admittedly more luxurious