Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by Deefa

Could even be the end of the road for European manufacturers like Jaguar who are going all EV, even BMW and Land Rover might bite it if they go all the way. The Chinese (who are ignoring the wishful thinking) may come up on top. They already make some pretty good vehicles, and cheap.

Have a look at this,and it is up to date,not some old out of date click bait.

Ailing Jaguar Land Rover Has Options, But None Look Tempting

If it wasn't for the New Defender,they would probably be gone.

JLR also recently admitted they estimate losing close to 150,000 sales a year due to unreliability concerns of new buyers.
That is a huge % of total sales.

Originally Posted by scarry

Have a look at this,and it is up to date,not some old out of date click bait.

Ailing Jaguar Land Rover Has Options, But None Look Tempting

If it wasn't for the New Defender,they would probably be gone.

JLR also recently admitted they estimate losing close to 150,000 sales a year due to unreliability concerns of new buyers.
That is a huge % of total sales.

Those reliability concerns seem well justified. I have been watching things on the multitude of Facebook owners groups and it scared me off. I would love to love and all that but I can't . Cheers.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Those reliability concerns seem well justified. I have been watching things on the multitude of Facebook owners groups and it scared me off. I would love to love and all that but I can't . Cheers.

One of the reasons we moved off to another brand,although if you listen to some on here,they are just as unreliable.......
Also,i must admit,nothing in their range suited us either,and we wanted something new.

I can't see them ever shaking the unreliability issue,even if they try their hardest to sort it,which is what they have promised to do.At last.
Hopefully i am completely wrong.
With social media,etc,things travel faster than ever.

Wow - didn't realise things were that bad financially for JL. :-0

The Defender has been so well received and the LandRover brand is such a high value they should be a good target for a well funded takeover, hopefully as the Forbes article says by a backer with big electrification expertise.

Reviewers have been saying for a quite a while - too many models with are all too similar, confusing the market. We know they exited the off road heavy duty market so now are competing head-on in the very crowded luxury SUV market, with niche players picking off some attractive other market segments. Will be tough for the new CEO whoever that will be!

Originally Posted by scarry

Have a look at this,and it is up to date,not some old out of date click bait.

Ailing Jaguar Land Rover Has Options, But None Look Tempting

If it wasn't for the New Defender,they would probably be gone.

JLR also recently admitted they estimate losing close to 150,000 sales a year due to unreliability concerns of new buyers.
That is a huge % of total sales.

Here's Sir Jim Ratcliffe's opportunity to put the green oval on the Grenadier. All he has to do is buy JLR at a bargain basement price from Tata, sell the Jaguar bit to BMW, cull the Range Rover range and rename the Ineos as the Land Rover Grenadier!

Originally Posted by ozscott

Those reliability concerns seem well justified. I have been watching things on the multitude of Facebook owners groups and it scared me off. I would love to love and all that but I can't . Cheers.

I only have a 25-year history of LR ownership and I'm now only onto my third Land Rover so I'm probably not qualified to comment on the reliability issues that people who have never owned one and who are social media experts on lazily do. Mine seem to have taken me from A to B generally without a problem. Sometimes the distance between A and B has been a scarily long way. Sure I have had a problem once or twice but that hasn't stopped me from using them for their intended purpose. Luck might be factored into this but regular preventative maintenance and mechanical sympathy can take you a long way without a problem.

Originally Posted by one_iota

I only have a 25-year history of LR ownership and I'm now only onto my third Land Rover so I'm probably not qualified to comment on the reliability issues that people who have never owned one and who are social media experts on lazily do. Mine seem to have taken me from A to B generally without a problem. Sometimes the distance between A and B has been a scarily long way. Sure I have had a problem once or twice but that hasn't stopped me from using them for their intended purpose. Luck might be factored into this but regular preventative maintenance and mechanical sympathy can take you a long way without a problem.

I totally agree, especially the last sentence.
I've owned more than 30 Landy's over a period of almost 60 years. All road registered and have taken me all over Australia and have always brought me back home. Never had a major problem although I did have to drive the final 100km or so without a clutch on one occasion. Always kept them pretty close to standard mechanically, just a few accessories to make camping/touring more enjoyable.
Current Landy is a 2003 Td5 Defender

The definition of reliability changes with the complexity of the machine. The Grenadier is not a simple machine. If a sensor detects accurately or not a problem that is worthy of attention that might be regarded as an issue falling into the unreliable category. Equally the rear vision mirror desilvering likewise. My Puma Defender sensors saved my engine from cooking as a result of a welsh plug leaking coolant. Does that make my vehicle reliable or unreliable?