Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by Tins

Sure, why not?

Well, hurry up and win! My D3 is awaiting.

Originally Posted by Tins

Sure, why not?

Too old,if it isn't falling apart now it will be soon,unfortunately.

With lotto money a D4 2016 is the go.

Originally Posted by scarry

Too old,if it isn't falling apart now it will be soon,unfortunately.

With lotto money a D4 2016 is the go.

I reckon this one might turn out ok. And it would have been the perfect time...

Simon has a look at the Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster

INEOS Quartermaster Pickup Review & Ineos Grenadier EV Update + Future Direction.... - YouTube

so, I was browsing vehicles and I just remembered: the grenadier is a thing! let's see if I can finally find some prices for us dutchies. Right.

The trialmaster goes for almost 190K euro's, that's a whopping 315K aud. I kid you not, 95K euro is extra tax because of it's engine(s).

I remember someone complaining a while back on this forum somewhere that oz was behind with "only" euro 5 emissions standards and should get with the program and what not, I guess he does not want to get with OUR program...

So, to put it mildy, a grenadier is never going to happen on this end.

-P

Originally Posted by prelude

so, I was browsing vehicles and I just remembered: the grenadier is a thing! let's see if I can finally find some prices for us dutchies. Right.

The trialmaster goes for almost 190K euro's, that's a whopping 315K aud. I kid you not, 95K euro is extra tax because of it's engine(s).

I remember someone complaining a while back on this forum somewhere that oz was behind with "only" euro 5 emissions standards and should get with the program and what not, I guess he does not want to get with OUR program...

So, to put it mildy, a grenadier is never going to happen on this end.

-P

dunno, but Jim Radcliffe is one hell of a man, supporting sailing,cycling, Le Tour, he's never going to kick back n drink beer and not try new things, in saying this the Inious rides like a truck, there is a youtoob vid on that from a guy
Ineos Grenadier Trialmaster review. How does it work as a farm car? - YouTube


for me the 2016 sdv6 of mine is the bestest 4x4 I have ever driven, it has 127000km and I am the second owner, only regret being the beige leather as I am not some office wallah and usually covered in either building materials or other workshop stuff

Originally Posted by prelude

so, I was browsing vehicles and I just remembered: the grenadier is a thing! let's see if I can finally find some prices for us dutchies. Right.

The trialmaster goes for almost 190K euro's, that's a whopping 315K aud. I kid you not, 95K euro is extra tax because of it's engine(s).

I remember someone complaining a while back on this forum somewhere that oz was behind with "only" euro 5 emissions standards and should get with the program and what not, I guess he does not want to get with OUR program...

So, to put it mildy, a grenadier is never going to happen on this end.

-P

If half the price is "extra tax" due to the engine/s what is being taxed, and how does it compare to the rest of Europe?

Tony

Originally Posted by TonyC

If half the price is "extra tax" due to the engine/s what is being taxed, and how does it compare to the rest of Europe?

Tony

We used to have a system called BPM (it is still called that btw) which was roughly speaking a luxury tax on cars and motorbikes. It is calculated over commercial vehicles as well but businesses can reclaim that tax just as they can reclaim the VAT. Some years ago they started calling it the "slurp tax" ie. inefficient cars were to be taxed higher and efficient cars were to be taxed lower. These days you pay by the amount of CO2 emitted. Since the ineos only achieves 327 g/km it is taxed ridiculously high. (the 90k+ mentioned before)

Just as a side note; the BPM tax break for commercial vehicles (van's basically) is going to be cancelled in 2025. This means that a 20K van will probably cost around 40k and possibly more since your average van has between 150 and 200 gr/km emissions. This also means that just a bout everything in this country is going to yet again get substantially more expensive. Of course this is all on the vague notion that companies should buy electric van's but, yeah, that is not going to work now is it? It is either not going to have the range or conversely not have the load carrying capacity to, I dunno, DO ITS JOB. Mind you, we can only legally drive 3.5tonne here without a truck license and we do not have the concept of GVM upgrades either. There was a plan to up that to 4.2tonne but it seems they cancelled that. Just to put things into perspective.

Most countries in Europe never had a BPM system as far as I know. It has been very popular to buy and own cars from abroad for decades because of it. Of course our friends in the government have been closing those loops steadily since. There have been countries that taxed on horsepower/engine capacity (france, italy) but that was road tax, not a luxury tax in essence. We ALSO have road tax down here and it is calculated on weight of the vehicle X fuel type, petrol being the cheapest, followed by LPG and diesel. The idea being that high milers won't drive petrol. Naturally the extremely heavy EV's are not taxed (yet) but we'll get there no doubt

Long story short, any "decent" car here has become unobtainium unless you buy them second hand from abroad AND when they are old enough. (BPM gets less per year). So a troopy for example(petrol only since the diesels can't comply with euro 7 emissions standards) which costs 52K euro's excluding taxes down here is available for purchase in Germany, but when I try to import it and put it on the road just like the ineos it'll cost me a fortune. By that same token a 125K range rover V8 is around 250K in this little postage-stamp-size-country.

Ah well, I digress

Cheers,
-P