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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlB View Post
    We tend to think that alloy rims are largely aluminium (not magnesium), which is true, but there would be a variety of other metals alloyed with the aluminium and in different proportions for different reasons. This is no different from the situation with our Land Rover body panels which are an alloy of 92% aluminium, 7% magnesium and 1% manganese, that goes by the trade name of Bermabright. I am not a metalurgist, but I would imagine alloying titanium with the aluminium would make it much harder but at considerable monetary cost. So I don't think alloy rims have to be softer than steel but I would assume they usually are for cost reasons. There may be ways to work harden the surface as well.
    Actually I don't think Land Rover Defender panels are still made of "Birmabright". If they are an aluimiium alloy at all, it is at lower concentrations.

    BTW Birmabright is merely a trade name of aluminium alloys of different concentrations made by the Birmetals Co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    If they are an aluimiium alloy at all, it is at lower concentrations.
    Pure aluminium is soft as butter. 10 mm pure AL flatbar can be bent by hand.
    AFAIK they made the panels thinner on defenders - which is the reason they dent easily.

    The concentration (%) of alloying agent does not equate to strength with alloys AFAIK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    BTW Birmabright is merely a trade name of aluminium alloys of different concentrations made by the Birmetals Co.
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    Birmabright is a trade name of the former Birmetals Co. (Birmabright works in Clapgate Lane, Quinton, Birmingham, UK) for various types of lightweight sheet metal in an alloy of aluminium and magnesium. The constituents are 7% magnesium, sometimes 1% manganese, and the remainder aluminium.[1] The BB2 is one example, of which equivalent specifications are British standard NS4, American 5251 and ISO designation AlMg2.

    Gas welding of Birmabright is easier than that of pure aluminium and may be carried out using scraps of the same material as a filler rod.

    Birmabright is best known as the material used in the body of the Land Rover and other classic British vehicles. The doors, boot lid and bonnet of most Rover P4 models were also Birmabright, however towards the end of production this was changed to steel to reduce costs. An early use in the 1930s was for the bodywork of the land speed record car, Thunderbolt. Also used for the bodywork of Bluebird K7 used for the Coniston speed record attempt by the late Donald Campbell

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    Pure aluminium is soft as butter. 10 mm pure AL flatbar can be bent by hand.
    AFAIK they made the panels thinner on defenders - which is the reason they dent easily.

    The concentration (%) of alloying agent does not equate to strength with alloys AFAIK.
    And what research have you done on the thickness of the panels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    And what research have you done on the thickness of the panels?
    I haven't measured them if that is what you mean, but have read somewhere that they reduced the thickness of some panels.

    It would be easy to measure the thickness of the folded over lip of the door skins - and compare between a series and defender.

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    Interesting piece in the latest 4WD Action comparing steel and alloy wheels.

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