Thread: G-Wagen @ 120k - pffft....please

The History of LAND Rover Defender

Do any search on NAS defender and you will get the "truth" that they got the rr 3.9 then the 4.0from the RR before compulsory airbag legislation forced them out. Same power figure.

Further to your td v8 would kill it read my post. A discovery(around 2.1t) 2 with a 4.0v8 got to 100k's in just over 10 secs, the tdv8 in the RR sport does it in 9.2 so what do you think a 500 kilo+ lighter(or 900kg over the rr) defender 90(around 1.5-1.6t) would do with the same v8 the defender has?????????

The LR australia line is and has been proven to be a total load off cows manure.

Originally Posted by frantic

Do any search on NAS defender and you will get the "truth" that they got the rr 3.9 then the 4.0from the RR before compulsory airbag legislation forced them out. Same power figure.....

You're right about the power being a lot more than I thought, but the figures on that website are all rounded up (presumably from advertising sources), and the 4.0l NAS V8 was not in fact a 4.0l engine, but just the same 3.9l re-badged as 4.0l. I got my info from this website for tech data on all North American delivered vehicles.

Anyhoo, assuming a 182BHP (135kW) engine in a 1.7tonne NAS 90 = 107BHP/t

TdV8 has 272BHP (202kW), in a 2.1tone Defender 130 = 129BHP/t

In short, I would be somewhat less than 100% sure that a NAS V8 D90 would outrun a TdV8 D130 (let alone 110) - notwithstanding gearing.

Originally Posted by frantic

What a load off garden fertillizer!
In 1994-97 (or98) they supplied the USA with SWB convertible defenders with the 4.0l PETROL V8!!! So in the land off litigation this was ok with the 1500kg 90 with no ABS let alone airbags?
Yet yourself and LR try to justify not giving us in OZ the same option as a handling issue?( actually you sound 100% identical to LR' australia's 15yr spiel)
Now I'm 100% certain a 4.0L V8 petrol 90 would outrun a TD V8 110defender wagon or 130 crew cab in a straight line and probably around corners. Yet the def since 2000 has gotten traction and abs (in the 110) but no Hi-Po engine options. Also the ones I have seen in pickles appear to have been rolled at a slow speed as in side slope offroad , or in the case of one off them with a bent front chassis either driven straight into or backed over by a truck!
How many LEAF sprung TDV8 cruiser troopies are in pickles, rolled with their narrower rear diffs(100mm difference front to back!) no airbags and no automatic traction control(Manually lockable diff)

As a footnote in the U.S they also got auto for the 1 legged brigade in the 1997 models

I'd just like to add that there is a lot of rolled toyota's around,I mean A LOT.In Kalgoorlie there would be at least 50 to 100 lying around in yards that have been crashed-rolled otherwise wrecked and the Sims metal yard has bodies in there everyday getting recycled.The narrow rear cruiser and Patrol both fishtail very easy in ruts,drive one and you find this out for yourself.The G wagon is in the same position as LR as it covers the people who don't want the run-off-the-mill jap crap but LR are fools for not letting the Defender keep up with the market,it doesn't need a balls out engine,just something in the 130kw/400NM range with an auto as an option.The G wagon has prooved,like the defender that it is a very good vehicle,a long list of army's around the world use them,the trouble for LR is that they are replacing the defender as the most common military vehicle.It is a shame that many people and many company's would buy LR's if only LR would make what the market wants,would I buy one?,if they made the 110 duel cab with the TDV6 and auto I would have a new one in my driveway instead of an ex lease L322. Pat

I think you all missed the point here....it means the Army are buying new toys....and finally some reasonable Perenties will hit the market for us to have our own toys !!!!

It would be cheaper to buy a county V8,they go for nix and build one.The novelty effect would soon wear off on a wet night with long hours driving in front of you. Pat

Originally Posted by solmanic

In short, I would be somewhat less than 100% sure that a NAS V8 D90 would outrun a TdV8 D130 (let alone 110) - notwithstanding gearing.

And you have just agreed with my point off view
THANK YOU!
A NAS defender 90 from 10-15 years ago would be at least as quick as a 110 with a tdv8 but far less safe considering traction and abs are a more recent addition. It would also go much quicker through corners(shorter wheelbase) than either a 110 or 130. The LR Oz spiel is and has always been a pile off smelly bull droppings.
Merc's will get the 165kw 510 nm diesel would LR please come to the party with a detuned tdv8( say 170-180 kw) or even a tdv6 in the same league!

As for rolled cars it does not matter what the power output is under the bonnet if the skull behind the wheel is "distracted" they will still trash it.

Originally Posted by PAT303

..... if they made the 110 duel cab with the TDV6 and auto I would have a new one in my driveway instead of an ex lease L322. Pat

Are you sure you could give up the L322 interior? It's another area that the Merc excels at when compared to the Defender. But at double the price you'd want a good interior.