Another Malaysian plane down ...

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I see its officially cleared airspace.
Putin has a lot to answer for for arming the rebels in the Ukraine.
Hope the world gets serious about this.

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Without defending this criminal act and Putin for provide arms to the separatist there is not much that can be done when USA has provide and continuous provide arms to regimes that are causing lots of deaths.
It appears that there is a recording of a conversation about the plane between a leader of the separatist and a Russian high range military.
It that it is correct chances are that both will finish in a locker or against the wall and the matter will be settle.

My off sider, lost two close friends in the attack. Husband and wife, all of a sudden it brings a war far away close to home :-(

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Originally Posted by Saitch

Is that the same area as the Korean 747 shot down 20 or so years ago?

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No, that was in the Vladivostok region - far eastern Russia, near Sakhalin Island.

Another trigger happy so & so though.

Cheers,

Lionel

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Without defending this criminal act and Putin for provide arms to the separatist there is not much that can be done when USA has provide and continuous provide arms to regimes that are causing lots of deaths.
It appears that there is a recording of a conversation about the plane between a leader of the separatist and a Russian high range military.
It that it is correct chances are that both will finish in a locker or against the wall and the matter will be settle.

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Chucaro, Its russia and the Ukraine, that recording could be faked easily, I am in russia the russians are saying things like the Ukraine targeted putins plane, its the Uktrainians making the rebels look bad, we need proof but it will be muddied as the rebels control the crash site and the "evidence: is being sent to Moscow.....
Hard to prove its a Ukrainian BUK or a russian one as the fragments ill be the same in a forsenic sense.
If it was a rebel missle is well gone as its mobile and as for your naive(nothing personal here) notion that is it was a rebel they will be caught and punished i will bet you it will never happen at all pubicly. at all human lives are not a prority in this neck of the woods sadly that atate is all powerful
The rebells bragged about shooting down a palne at roughly the same time I sawt he original rusian one which was quickly taken down
here is a link a article about it
Pro-Russian Rebel Commander: 'We Did Warn You
I have had contact with Ukrainian refugees from the fighting and its interesting they are all scared but several said those guys fighting are Mafia /drug dealers etcor local warlords and belive or not russian neo nazis, but that makes no difference to their status,also some were families of fighters and being a kiwi apparently saw no reason not to tell me
So its not clear cut but its a mess, you awake nationalists and give them weapons and you reap the consequences...(on both sides)

I see the Buk launchers have moved back over the boarder. Mr Puntin hiding things again.

Malaysia Airlines MH17: Missile expert arrested near border, Ukraine government says

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Without defending this criminal act and Putin for provide arms to the separatist there is not much that can be done when USA has provide and continuous provide arms to regimes that are causing lots of deaths.
It appears that there is a recording of a conversation about the plane between a leader of the separatist and a Russian high range military.
It that it is correct chances are that both will finish in a locker or against the wall and the matter will be settle.

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Geez Chuc, ya can't help yaself can you, with your "anti US" phobia,...mate, this has got NOTHING to do with the U.S.
Putin supplied the means here, let's just see what HE does about seeing that some justice is done. If you want my opinion on that, I'd say there's very little chance of that happening.
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Geez Chuc, ya can't help yaself can you, with your "anti US" phobia,...mate, this has got NOTHING to do with the U.S.
Putin supplied the means here, let's just see what HE does about seeing that some justice is done. If you want my opinion on that, I'd say there's very little chance of that happening.
Pickles.

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Perhaps I have expressed myself wrong, it was not my intention to include USA in this case, what I am trying to say is that there is a justified protest about this evil crime but all other crimes that are a result of conntries that provide arms to are covered up.

Regarding these tragic case it is terrible and if you think that I do not have reasons to be upset about how the west looks things on one side only try to find if the reaction of the world was the same when Iran flight 655 was brought down in Iranian air space killing 290 people including 66 children.
Do you think that the US$61.8 million, ($92.9 million today), amounting to $213,103.45 ($320446 today) per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims was enough?

I am not one side in these cases, all are evil, a cower crime and old shoul be treated equal.

I hope that I ma clear.

85 county,, no bite, no troll and will never be in cases like this,it is appalling.
I just try to show the hypocrite attitude of the world politicians that it is all.

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Originally Posted by sashadidi

being a kiwi apparently saw no reason not to tell me

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Novel Zealnder, Het americanski propaganda. then spit on the ground, gets you out of most potentual sticky situations. Add to that the more or smarter statements made By the NZ goverment as oposed to the condeming and quick statements made by the australian goverment, which just enforces the local view that Ausstlika americanski papetia.

lissen but do not ask, thay still have there 1 in 300

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Perhaps I have expressed myself wrong, it was not my intention to include USA in this case, what I am trying to say is that there is a justified protest about this evil crime but all other crimes that are a result of conntries that provide arms to are covered up.

Regarding these tragic case it is terrible and if you think that I do not have reasons to be upset about how the west looks things on one side only try to find if the reaction of the world was the same when Iran flight 655 was brought down in Iranian air space killing 290 people including 66 children.
Do you think that the US$61.8 million, ($92.9 million today), amounting to $213,103.45 ($320446 today) per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims was enough?

I am not one side in these cases, all are evil, a cower crime and old shoul be treated equal.

I hope that I ma clear.

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Yes Arthur, I think you have made yourself clear. You didn't intend to bring your anti-US propaganda into a thread concerned with how 298 innocent people have been killed by a rebel regime half a world away from, and unconnected with the US, but whilst you are not intending to bring it up, you thought you would get a dig in about how little compensation was paid in that last unconnected incident.

Yes those 28 Australian families who are missing loved ones will be able mourn more easily tonight with that clarification, thank you.