Another Malaysian plane down ...

Of course the so called bullet holes most likely came from the surface to air missile warhead that uses a proximity fuse so it explodes before the missile actually hits the aircraft.

So these "bullet holes" have not been declared as such but are shrapnel holes from the missile warhead.

Don't let the facts get is the way of a good story or a political agenda.

:eek::eek::eek::eek: Hmm white man you speak with Russian accent :wasntme:

Well, if it's on the internet it's bound to be more reliable than something else from the internet. I'm convinced!

Gday cobber. Do you listen to TFR?. Bloody brilliant for those that want the truth.

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Re all these Western lies, I came across on another alternate news site tonight a copy of a letter to Vladimir Putin which was drafted by a Dutch professor and signed by a lot of academics and others in the Netherlands. It apologised for the unjust vilification of Russia by their own government and mainstream media.

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Well, if it's on alternative news sites it must be true. :D

The 'letter' is a petition started by some Dutch mob, Der Ommekeer. They carry a disclaimer on their web site which translate from Dutch to English as

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Note: This letter is NOT written by Professor Cees Hamelink nor to date signed by him! This letter is copied many times on other web sites that do not have a permission requested. Many of them have professor Cees Hamelink as a writer. We do not have responsibility for and take away.

Links of sites that have taken over our message;

News.nl , BurgerlijkeOngehoorzaamheid wordpress , Zaplog.nl , Twitter , NuJIJ.nl , Futuris Trendcast , NuJIJ.nl . JHaines , NRCOmbudsman , David Icke

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Anyway, don't suppose it matters. It's still written by a Dutch Professor and signed by lots of academics when you source your news from alternative news sites and it confirms your bias.

Please to stop pickink on those poor Ruskie missionaries spreadink the Gospel of fearless leader in Ukraine. Ve know who you are. Boris & Natasha






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Note how immediately after MH17 was shot down there was an outcry blaming the rebels and Russians. If there was evidence to back this up, it obviously would have quickly been given widespread coverage by western mainstream media. When there was none, comments changed to just largely unsubstantiated abuse. Official report just released says plane was shot down by "multiple high speed objects." Consistent with an air to air missile and bullets from a fighter plane. The only fighters around at the time were Ukrainian.


However, the media spin is still beating up probably correct reports of the Russians and rebels having BUK missiles in the area. Intention is to promote belief that one of these shot MH17 down and discourage examination of details of circumstances which indicate it was highly improbable.


Reaction of some people in western countries to reporting of this incident has been of "cognitive dissonance". They refuse to believe the possibility that their own governments would deliberately try to tell them lies.

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Reaction of some people in western countries to reporting of this incident has been of "cognitive dissonance". They refuse to believe the possibility that their own governments would deliberately try to tell them lies.

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Is there an equivalent phrase that can be used to describe people who consistently refuse to believe the possibility that their own government could be telling the truth?

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Is clear to anyone who has been following the issue on conspiracy sites that rely on speculation and ignore the actual evidence that MH17 was not shot down by a surface to air missile.
FIFY
Seems an air to air one from a Ukrainian fighter hit one engine and then the cockpit was riddled with bullets. Rebels have no planes.Why is this relevant when the evidence shows that the holes were made by shrapnel? Unclear whether this was a mistake or a "false flag" that went wrong. If so, plane turned round to left and did not crash where planned. Note how black box info and recordings from Ukrainian air traffic control have not been released. Nor has info from US satellite overhead. Lots of indications of a big coverup!


Western MSM has largely ignored intelligence info gathered and supplied by he Russians, which seems a lot more truthful, :confused:Why is that? as are reports on www.pravda.ru. Re western based sites which do not support the " official story" that "powers that be " would like believed, probably one of the best is www.globalresearch.ca.
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I left the last bit out so that people would not be reminded of Godwin's Law.

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Is there an equivalent phrase that can be used to describe people who consistently refuse to believe the possibility that their own government could be telling the truth?

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I'll have a go:
Paranoia