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Chucaro
A interesting report for sure and I am also not qualified to judge .
Further to that as a illustration of claim and counter claim on both sides the basis of that report
may be used in this report published in Russia and publicised which says a Ukrainian pilot in a SU25 says he shot down the plane. Article here in Russian , open with google chrome and it will do a rough translation: http://ugnovosti.ru/articles/detail.php?ID=147738
I would say its interesting as if a SU 25 bomber was used as it has a service ceiling apparently of 7000 metres and a operating ceiling of 5000 metres with max weapons and the plane was at 10000 meters plus its a remarkable cannon shell that could reach that far on a upward trajectory ........it could have used a rocket but at the limit of its range. Surely Russian defence radar systems on the border would have monitored its flight path and could confirm this........ So we are in interesting times in the information war.
If I was a rebel and I did not do this I would be all over it and getting a international investigation as the Kiev government would have lost the moral high ground forever and they would be in a great position politically ......
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I guess that this it is another interest reading or at the very least to have some opinion from a different source to the media that we can read in Australia
Devils’ Dance on the Malaysian Plane Tragedy
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Pure wingnuttery from people who don't know how anti-aircraft weapons function.
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Chucaro
A few problems with that article especially about the air traffic control situation that day ( see my link above which includes information from Russian ministry of defense) and that the SU25 cannot go high enough to shoot the aircraft with cannon....
Russia is also silent about its satellite/ radar information as well which should confirm the theory that the Ukrainian SU25 did it...
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I just posted the links to people read what other sources have to said.
It is not that I agree or disagree with the opinions in the links provided or any other source of information that we have. I do not have the knowledge or the final independent final findings to form an opinion.
I do like to speculate which party it is the guilty and think that it will be the best to point the finger to the guilty party once we know more about the tragic event and this is if we get to know it. :(
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akelly
Pure wingnuttery from people who don't know how anti-aircraft weapons function.
back to the subject at hand ;) I tend to agree with this. It's this kind of thing that leads to all out conspiracy theories ...
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Cobber
back to the subject at hand ;) I tend to agree with this. It's this kind of thing that leads to all out conspiracy theories ...
People grasping at straws to unexplain the obvious and shift blame, tend to sweep along the idiots with them and then claim “majority rules”
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New MH 17 eye witness accounts
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The BBC is just one of the Western Mainstream media organisations peddling the story that their governments, especially of the USA, UK and Israel want believed. However, now thanks to alternate sources of information that can readily be examined by anyone can be found on the Internet. Of course it includes conspiracy theories. However, in this case, seems the main sources of false conspiracy theories are those mentioned above.
Is clear to anyone who has been following the issue that MH17 was not shot down by a surface to air missile. Seems an air to air one from a Ukrainian fighter hit one engine and then the cockpit was riddled with bullets. Rebels have no planes. Unclear whether this was a mistake or a "false flag" that went wrong. If so, plane turned round to left and did not crash where planned. Note how black box info and recordings from Ukrainian air traffic control have not been released. Nor has info from US satellite overhead. Lots of indications of a big coverup!
Western MSM has largely ignored intelligence info gathered and supplied by he Russians, which seems a lot more truthful, as are reports on www.pravda.ru. Re western based sites which do not support the " official story" that "powers that be " would like believed, probably one of the best is www.globalresearch.ca.
Principles that were used by Nazis pushing false propaganda have being applied lately in Ukraine. ie If you are going to tell lies, better if they are big ones and also if you repeat the same lies enough, people are likely to eventually believe them.
Re all these Western lies, I came across on another alternate news site tonight a copy of a letter to Vladimir Putin which was drafted by a Dutch professor and signed by a lot of academics and others in the Netherlands. It apologised for the unjust vilification of Russia by their own government and mainstream media.
