Thread: Lion Air

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Listening to the news about the plane crash in Indonesia, sounds to me like a partly blocked static air system. I thought airliners had at least two static air sources so I can't understand how something this simple could result in the loss of the aircraft.

B737 has 3, including the standby. The big problem can be when a situation like this presents itself, identifying the side giving the incorrect information. Nonetheless, there is a memory checklist for ‘Airspeed Unreliable’.
The scenario has been trained in recurrent sim sessions since the year dot, but has been at the forefront since the Air France prang a few years back.
Any pilot worth his salt will know the attitude/thrust settings for various flight regimes, as this is the key to beginning the troubleshooting process.

And this is why i fly QANTAS

Originally Posted by AndyG

And this is why i fly QANTAS

Some airlines I refuse to fly in the region:
Lion Air
Malindo
Garuda
Air Asia

Caveat emptor.

Wheren't the conditions clear VFR? I have no idea on heavys but don't you get some feedback on speed either control/noise/feel? I have worked in Indo for a while and used to dred flights. Last time I was on Loin air the aircraft from about 5 miles out on final was rolling 45 degrees side to side all the way down final till I thought they were going to ground the wingtip. I didn't fly Loinair after that but was forced to fly their lines like Batik. Every flight without exception the flight crew were smoking the entire flight, the pax cabin had consistant cigarette smoke. No pax or cabin crew were smoking so only alternative is pilots.
The mob I was flying for for tax reasons were operating on CAR 135, the aircraft were maintained very badly and parts were replaced by cheaper non factory tagged or even worse local manufactured parts. The maintenance chief stated the factory that produced the aircraft had safety standards were too high and the price charged for spares was too high.
Loinair will blame the aircraft manufacturer or the pilot, any blame will be deflected away from Lionair with the help of Indo authorities.

VMC it was. There is a very interesting bunch of videos on utube called ‘Children of Magenta’. Not saying that an airspeed unreliable was the cause. The DFDR will reveal all.

When I was working for Qantas years ago we were the ground handling agent for Garuda. After seeing the things their tech and cabin crew would try to bring through security I would never fly an Indonesian airline. They would blatantly try to flaunt IATA restictions.

Originally Posted by Hugh Jars

Some airlines I refuse to fly in the region:
Lion Air
Malindo
Garuda
Air Asia

Caveat emptor.

Is it still relevant advice that one should (where possible) only fly with airlines that are allowed to land/operate in Australia? The theory that CASA standards were higher than other countries.

Although work flew me Malindo Air this year out of Brisbane and I vowed never to fly with them again.

Malindo, Garuda and Air Asia still fly to Australia. CASA (the regulator) is a sloth in dealing with this.
I will not fly on them, even though they come here.
Just being in the same airspace and listening to their radio work is alarming enough.