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    It appears the chairman of Boeing is a liar.

    Boeing boss rejects accusations about 737 Max jets that crashed

    Boeing boss rejects accusations about 737 Max jets that crashed | Business | The Guardian

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    His comments are not surprising. Boeing are in major damage control mode and this is par for the course. Similar comments for the attempted covering of butts were uttered by senior VW personnel in relation to the dieselgate scandal. At least 5 of those VW personnel have been charged and are now facing jail time if convicted.
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    I imagine Boeing will be sued for billions by relatives of dead passengers, so he has to defend the company.

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    Like him or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    Or:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    It appears the chairman of Boeing is a liar.

    Boeing boss rejects accusations about 737 Max jets that crashed

    Boeing boss rejects accusations about 737 Max jets that crashed | Business | The Guardian
    There are some reporting errors in that piece. Nevertheless, the AoA indicator and AoA Disagree system are indeed optional. None of our aircraft have them, and neither do I believe do QF’s. So he’s telling porkies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jars View Post
    Nevertheless, the AoA indicator and AoA Disagree system are indeed optional.
    As I have said before, I am a layman here, but to me that particular piece of information is evidence of an unconscionable error
    from Boeing. Something as basic as that, especially in a new system as the MCAS system was in this aircraft, should be mandatory, not optional. What would it cost as opposed to the entire cost of the aircraft, and now of course as opposed to the entire cost to Boeing altogether, which is probably incalculable, but may possibly cost Boeing everything, is minor in the extreme.

    It's easy to second guess, and that is what a lot of us are doing here, but a hell of a lot of us need to trust Boeing, and maybe it's time for the engineers take precedence over the accountants; you know, the way it used to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    As I have said before, I am a layman here, but to me that particular piece of information is evidence of an unconscionable error
    from Boeing. Something as basic as that, especially in a new system as the MCAS system was in this aircraft, should be mandatory, not optional. What would it cost as opposed to the entire cost of the aircraft, and now of course as opposed to the entire cost to Boeing altogether, which is probably incalculable, but may possibly cost Boeing everything, is minor in the extreme.

    It's easy to second guess, and that is what a lot of us are doing here, but a hell of a lot of us need to trust Boeing, and maybe it's time for the engineers take precedence over the accountants; you know, the way it used to be.
    Fitting, or more appropriately - enabling the system at aircraft build would probably only add a few thousand to the cost (remember most of the hardware is already there). When you’re talking little change out of $100m per aircraft, it really is nothing in the big scheme of things.
    Makes you wonder why?

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    A little more info. I'm loath to blame out-and-out pilot error, as these things are always the result of a whole bunch of factors. The link does work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jars View Post
    Fitting, or more appropriately - enabling the system at aircraft build would probably only add a few thousand to the cost (remember most of the hardware is already there). When you’re talking little change out of $100m per aircraft, it really is nothing in the big scheme of things.
    Makes you wonder why?
    Have seen trucking companies penny pinch on kit on basis every penny saved on price equals lower operating cost and hence competitive advantage.

    Anything optional has to be justified before purchase and the difficulty in doing this makes it not worth the hassle as senior management has already made their opinion clear that the product is safe as the manufacturer would have made in mandatory is it was required

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