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Vaguely recall that J.. Weren't the Flight Deck Crew apparently showing off & left it too late for the engines to spool up & finished up in a Forest near the Airport?

Originally Posted by 4bee

Vaguely recall that J.. Weren't the Flight Deck Crew apparently showing off & left it too late for the engines to spool up & finished up in a Forest near the Airport?

Absolument !

EDIT:- (late) Not quite, Better = "Oui & non", 'showing off' - yes as in Officially demonstrating a feature of the computers...and 'No' as in being egotistically stupid.

Taking WIKI with a pinch of salt, - it's a starting point for further links.
Air France Flight 296 - Wikipedia

One of the links:- AirDisaster.Com: Investigations: Air France 296 - suggests deception at a high (?)level.

Just as two large US auto manufacturers found out the hard way, public perception of their product-safety can savage sales... before the damning evidence surfaces...at which point it's all over for that item. Another reason to blame the Pilot not the plane.

Originally Posted by 4bee

Vaguely recall that J.. Weren't the Flight Deck Crew apparently showing off & left it too late for the engines to spool up & finished up in a Forest near the Airport?

Won’t go into the showing off, but the computers thought better of going into TOGA and instead went into Alpha Floor protection and prevented the elevators from responding to crew commands. From then on the crew were just passengers into the trees.

There is some conjecture about the engines being at flight idle immediately before the attempted go-around. Any pilot with half a brain knows the engines need to be spooled up in case of a go-around, as they are very slow to accelerate from idle. In the B737, we are at around 54% N1 for flaps 30, and around 61% N1 at flaps 40. Idle is around 35%. To go from idle to TOGA can take several seconds. From 54% to TOGA is almost instantaneous.

Boeing gives the crew full authority over the flight controls. In a Boeing, they could have done a normal go-around, or a terrain escape manoeuvre if they so wished.

That’s the difference between the two philosophies...

Glad I fly Boeing.

"Glad I fly Boeing."

I see what you mean, that could become a New Airline Slogan. Well, sort of.


Maybe it might have been a case of a tad too much bubbly, & also I guess controls are difficult to reach with a Stewardess on each knee. We are talking about the French here.

Vive la something...

Originally Posted by 4bee

"Glad I fly Boeing."

I see what you mean, that could become a New Airline Slogan. Well, sort of.

I believe it's "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going".

My favourite ughmerican double negative came from a knuckle dragger I met one day who was having a crack at my bike. He confidently asserted "if it ain't from Milwaukee, it ain't ****". I agreed with him.

Originally Posted by 4bee

Maybe it might have been a case of a tad too much bubbly, & also I guess controls are difficult to reach with a Stewardess on each knee. We are talking about the French here.

Vive la something...

Airbus flight deck. It has a brilliant dinner table for those longer sectors

AviationHumor-0086.jpg

Thanks J. I bet Design costs were high for that little layout but I notice there is no French equivalent for an ESKY.

Originally Posted by Hugh Jars

Airbus flight deck. It has a brilliant dinner table for those longer sectors

AviationHumor-0086.jpg

Which Airbus ? - how many engines ? - what verson of Photoshop?